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Offline Tking01

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« on: October 17, 2007, 07:45:47 AM »
I am new to the towing scene tent camper for last 35 years! I have a 2003 Expedition with a brake controller and a 2003 Explorer without! I have going to buy a 1993 Colemen, Pioneer Seneca XL Saturday in Dekalb IL. I am in St. Louis! What will I need to tow this back home with the explorer or the expedition. If possible would like to use the explorer to save on gas! The whole brake thing has me confused and what size drop will I need to buy for both vehicles they both have a factory 2" receiver hitch?

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« Reply #1 on: October 17, 2007, 08:40:45 AM »
First off, welcome to the portal.
Does the camper even have breaks on it? You should be able to tow it with either of those vehicles, with or without a break controller if you are just a little careful.
The amount of drop you need on the hitch depends on the height of the trailer hitch. You need enough drop so that on level ground the trailer will sit level and not angle up or down. Maybe you can make a call to the present owner to get this information. With the trailer sitting level, measure to the top of the hitch. The measurement to the top of the ball on the TV should match.

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« Reply #2 on: October 17, 2007, 09:00:02 AM »
Does the Explorer have a trailer tow package installed?  If so, right under the dash is a plugin used to connect a brake controller (about one inch square). Your manual will be able to help you.
If the Expedition's brake controller is plugged in, you can remove it and use it in the Explorer.
Confused yet?
I use one controller, and move it between my TV's.  Works great.
Good luck.

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« Reply #3 on: October 17, 2007, 09:21:02 AM »
TKing, I have a 1993 Coleman Pioneer Chesapeake and it requires the use of a 1 7/8" ball.  For some reason, I was thinking that it was a 2" ball reciever and boy was I in for a surprise when I went to hitch it up for our first camping trip back in August (the guy I bought it from towed it to my house for me).  Needless to say, I had to scramble around like a chicken with my head cut off to get the 2" ball on my TV changed to a 1 7/8" ball.  Doesn't sound like a big deal, but my TV is a '95 Grand Cherokee and the hitch and ball have been on it since it was new.  When I went to remove the 2" ball, it just spun around on the hitch and I didn't have a big enough pipe wrench or channel locks to hold it still.  I ended up taking it to a local mechanic and he got it off for me.  I guess what I'm trying to say while being so long winded is to make sure that you have the right size ball when you go to pick up your PUP.

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« Reply #4 on: October 17, 2007, 10:29:39 AM »
NikonDon has it right, according to the Coleman manual (downloadable from this site) for '93s only the Williamsburg model has a 2" hitch, so be sure before you make that drive!
Also the Seneca series does NOT list electric brakes as a standard feature, so either TVs should be fine.
As to the amount of drop, you'll just have to call the current owner, the manual does not list a height above ground for the hitch with the trailer level. I suspect you won't need to make any drastic changes to accomodate towing your PU, but DO check on the hitch size!!

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« Reply #5 on: October 17, 2007, 10:28:33 PM »
Thanks for the info I do think it has brakes just waiting to hear back on the height of the hitch! What exactly does the brake controller do?


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« Reply #6 on: October 17, 2007, 10:47:28 PM »
Tking,

I have an '07 Explorer, and I haul a trailer weighing about 2600 lb.  The big question is: do you have a class I/II hitch (1 inch) or class III/IV hitch (2 inch)?

If you have a I/II, you will need to do extensive work to install a brake controller.  If you have a III/Iv, you can hook up a brake controller by simply getting the proper cable and plugging it into the socket.

I use a Tekonsha Prodigy.  The cable to hook it up was about $25.  I velcroed the prodigy holder to the dash to the left of the steering wheel, and just plugged it right in (the socket is on the left side behind the dash).  The class II/Iv comes with a standard 7-pin connector, so there was nothing else to do to activate the brakes (except calibrate the Prodigy).

The brake controlle is used to send the proper voltage to the electric brakes on the trailer.  Your camper isn't hooked directly to the TV's braking system, so it doesn't know how much you're braking.  The brake controller takes care of that for you.  I suggest the Prodigy, as it uses an inertial sensor to figure out how strong you are braking.

I use a 4 1/2" drop for my camper.  That keeps it pretty level.


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« Reply #7 on: October 18, 2007, 05:18:52 AM »
I have a 1992 coleman chesapeake and you will need a 1 7/8 ball. Also according to the coleman manual you need to have atleast 4" of clearance from your towball to your TV bumber. If you have a short drawbar or a bumber mounted ball the camper may/will hit the bumber on the TV when you make a tight turn. I towed our camper home first time (from dealer) with a bumper mounted ball and when i was backing into the driveay the pup frame did make contact with the TV bumber, I went out and bought a Class III hitch like the next weekend. When coleman says you need the 4" clearance they are not kidding.

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« Reply #8 on: October 18, 2007, 07:03:49 AM »
I have a class III/IV hitch (2 inch) on both SUV's 4 1/2" drop anyone else with a 93 coleman pioneer know the hitch height? The seller can't make it to the trailer before saturday?


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« Reply #9 on: October 18, 2007, 09:08:46 AM »
TKing, I can measure the hitch height of my '93 pioineer Chesapeake this afternoon when I get home from work and post it here.  It should be the same or real close to your Seneca!

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« Reply #10 on: October 18, 2007, 03:28:46 PM »
TKing, the distance from the ground to the very top of the hitch on my Coleman Pioneer Chesapeake with the trailer perfectly level is 18 inches.  That is to the very top of the receiver that houses the ball so if you subtract about 1/8 inch you should be towing very level!

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« Reply #11 on: October 18, 2007, 05:22:41 PM »
Thank You now I need to wait for the expedition to do the math!

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« Reply #12 on: October 18, 2007, 08:13:54 PM »
TKing01 you can download a manual from this website with all the info you need about tounge weight, trailer weight, etc.

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« Reply #13 on: October 21, 2007, 10:04:18 PM »
It is home 14 hours on Saturday and all day today cleaning and other chores! Need a bed pole for the canvas the elbow is cracked but other than that so far so good! And good thing I brought both balls the manual and spec sheet said 1 7/8" but needed the 2 ".

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Edited by - Tking01 on October 22 2007  17:09:59