User Info

 
 
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?

Quick Forum Search


Who's Online

Weekly Photo

 
Bumpass Hell
 Views: 94
Posted by Twisty
Aug 30, 2010
in This Week's Photo Winner

Checkout My Rig

 
2011 flagstaff classic
Finally got it home!
 Views: 36
Posted by pasobuff
Yesterday
in Checkout My Rig

Recent Topics

See fewer ads! Become a free PopUpPortal member. Click here to Register

Author Topic: 2001 Coleman Utah Spring Over Axle Project  (Read 8487 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline AZLetendre

  • Camper, 1st Class
  • **
  • Posts: 111
  • Gender: Male
    • AZ [AZ]
    • US [USA]
    • View Profile
2001 Coleman Utah Spring Over Axle Project
« on: February 08, 2009, 09:27:34 PM »
Well, I finally got the time and money to do it, so here is a brief write up on my spring-over conversion on a 2001 Coleman Utah. I will try to document as much as I can so show others who may be interested.

CAUTION: If you are not handy in any way, comfortable with tools, and don;t have the proper safety gear, please DO NOT ATTEMPT THIS. Be safe!

When you lift your PUP for work, brace all 4 corners on Jack Stands rated for the PUP weight and place them under the box frame rails, not the small support rails. NEVER NEVER NEVER rely on the jack to hold the PUP while you are working on it, the jack is simply the tool to get i ton the stands. Also, DO NOT use your stabilizers to hold the entire weight of your PUP.

First Step is axle removal: In the Utah, the spring setup is a slipper spring, so you only have 1 bolt on each side to remove, the forward bolt. With an impact wrench and a small sledge (5 lb) this was easily done. THE AXLE SHOULD ALSO BE HELD UP WITH A SMALL JACK WHILE REMOVING THE BOLTS. Once they are removed, slowly lower the axle and allow it to rotate and rear springs will come over the retainer bolts very easily. Now, here is what you will have:



Step 2 Remove the springs from the axle by loosening the 2 u-bolts on each side. The bolts will then require a small tap of a hammer (I used a ball-pin hammer) to get them free. Set bolts and nuts aside. Once they are off, you can remove the backing plates and springs from the axle.


This is how far I got tonight after work. Be sure you have purchased new spring perches to weld on, that step comes later... Mine were bought at the trailer supply store near me for only $5.00 each, the only concern I have is there is a small gap in the lower portion on each one, but the size is the correct measurement... any suggestions would be appreciated. Pictures of my concern are here:



Stay tuned, I will keep you updated as I do more.

Brian Letendre, KE6IRJ
TV - 1998 Toyota 4Runner
PUP - 2001 Coleman Utah

Offline Recumbentman

  • Star Camper
  • ***
  • Posts: 426
  • Gender: Male
    • CA [CA]
    • US [USA]
    • View Profile
    • My MODS page
2001 Coleman Utah Spring Over Axle Project
« Reply #1 on: February 09, 2009, 12:59:50 PM »
Brian
Great pictures and nice write-up. I will be watching this mod as you continue on. As far as the gap you mention. I am pretty sure its just for the tolerances of the dia. of the axle housing. Can you imagine the headaches if the notch-out was on the small side and you had to enlarge it.
Keep use posted and great job so far.

United States05 Fleetwood ResolutePopUp Tow Vehicle 03 Jeep Cherokee /99 WinStar United States
*** Ride to Eat / Eat to Ride ***
MyMODSpage
**Ride to Eat / Eat to Ride**
** 11 Cherokee Wolf Pack 295 / 03 Dodge Ram 2500 **
<<<<< For Mods click on camera to the left

Offline wileetoyote

  • Camper, 1st Class
  • **
  • Posts: 230
  • Gender: Male
    • AZ [AZ]
    • US [USA]
    • View Profile
    • wusstigphoto
2001 Coleman Utah Spring Over Axle Project
« Reply #2 on: February 09, 2009, 01:26:01 PM »
Nice project Brian. Your gonna love having the extra ground clearance.

I wouldn't worry bout the gaps on the end. Its not ideal but it looks like you'll have more than enough of a weld bead if you weld just the good contacting areas. those spring purches are pretty massive so no worries.

you gonna arc or wirefeed?

WET

Wile E Toyote
'Super Genius'
Wile E Toyote  'Super Genius'
2002 Coleman Utah E4'ish / 1996 Toyota Landcruiser FJ80
http://www.popupportal.com/index.php?topic=13105.0

Offline AZLetendre

  • Camper, 1st Class
  • **
  • Posts: 111
  • Gender: Male
    • AZ [AZ]
    • US [USA]
    • View Profile
2001 Coleman Utah Spring Over Axle Project
« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2009, 11:40:59 PM »
More progress, and completion...

Once I had the axle out, we had a few days of insane business and snow of all things, so progress came to a halt. I finally got the few minutes it took to prepare the welds by grinding the axle areas down and beveling the perches, now I had to invite my friend over to do my welding.


A huge thank you to Andrew (my welding buddy) who managed to come over on Sunday and do the welds. He did a great job and it only took about an hour total time.





After the steel cooled down, I hit it with primer and flat black to protect it. I also hit the axle tube to clean it all up a bit.


After that, I had to stop due to appointments with family.

Tonight (Monday) after work I was back at the project getting the axle back together and installed. First, I reassembled the spring/u-bolt assemblies and attached them to the axle.




Next, I had to slide the axle back under the trailer and get it into place. I was doing this alone, so it took quite a few trips walking around the axle to move it just a little more... but I finally got it with the help of my floor jack and the steadying hand of my lovely wife.


Finally, remount the tires and compare heights and the new look.


NOTE: If you do this, jack the trailer up an excessive amount before starting, I had to raise all the jack stands to get the tires on, the new height was that much higher.

We also lowered the step to see where it was now and if we would need a ground step, I think we will be okay, but we definitely are higher by around 4-5 inches.




So here is a picture of the trailer at the original height behind my 4Runner:


and here it is now:


It is hard to tell from these two pictures, but I got about 4" of lift from this conversion, and it also made the air flow under nearly equal for towing, so I am anticipating less drag from the air dam of a trailer. Overall, the project can be done in a day if you have a whole day to work and can weld or have someone helping who can. I did mine after work each day and had to get a welder to come over...
total time = 1 week
total hours actually working on project= 6-8 hours

Brian Letendre, KE6IRJ
TV - 1998 Toyota 4Runner
PUP - 2001 Coleman Utah

Edited by - AZLetendre on February 16 2009  23:42:35

Offline KMH

  • Eagle Camper
  • *****
  • Posts: 6,403
  • Gender: Male
    • MA [MA]
    • US [USA]
    • View Profile
    • Camping Trips, Mods, and Maintenance
2001 Coleman Utah Spring Over Axle Project
« Reply #4 on: February 17, 2009, 12:54:34 AM »
Wow, nice work and GREAT write up! Success!

*Kevin*
PopUp 2001 Starcraft Constellation Gemini
Tow Vehicle 96 Cherokee 2dr 5spd,
Booked '09: 49 Tongue
~Kevin~
2012 Keystone Passport 235EXP HTT, 2004 Ford Expedition King Ranch

Offline theseus

  • Eagle Camper
  • *****
  • Posts: 1,620
  • Gender: Male
    • OH [OH]
    • US [USA]
    • View Profile
2001 Coleman Utah Spring Over Axle Project
« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2009, 05:57:28 AM »
Excellent work. I actually like the "look" of the finished product better when it is behind your TV.

______________
2004 Expedition & 2000 Palomino Mustang SL-SG-FT
http://www.thecampingchild.com
Bruce        ______________
2004 Expedition & 2000 Palomino Mustang SL-SG-FT

Offline grcooperjr

  • Eagle Camper
  • *****
  • Posts: 2,187
  • Gender: Male
    • OR [OR]
    • US [USA]
    • View Profile
    • Rays camper stuff
2001 Coleman Utah Spring Over Axle Project
« Reply #6 on: February 17, 2009, 10:40:48 AM »
GREAT looking job Brian.....

Ray Cooper  - Tigard OR
Tow Vehicle 2007 Hummer H3 - PopUp 2007 Fleetwood Evolution E3
The boys & one Girl... Katie, Buddy, Toby, Ralphie, Sammy, & D.B."Cooper"
Ray Cooper  - Tigard OR. - Skype id: GRCOOPERJR
2007 Hummer H3 -  2007 Fleetwood Evolution E3

Offline NeedtoRoam

  • Star Camper
  • ***
  • Posts: 410
  • Gender: Male
    • CO [CO]
    • US [USA]
    • View Profile
2001 Coleman Utah Spring Over Axle Project
« Reply #7 on: February 17, 2009, 01:07:31 PM »
Brian, can you still use the stabilizers or are they too short.
I'm about ready to have this done maybe this week at Starcraft dealer near my office for 125.00. Looks great just what I want, nice job!
Fred

2000 Coleman Westlake.1999 Dodge Ram 1500,1998 Dodge Durango and a 18' Tipi.
2000 Coleman Westlake, Axel flip, Honda 2K Genny, Two 6 v batteries.
Dodge Ram 1500

Offline AZLetendre

  • Camper, 1st Class
  • **
  • Posts: 111
  • Gender: Male
    • AZ [AZ]
    • US [USA]
    • View Profile
2001 Coleman Utah Spring Over Axle Project
« Reply #8 on: February 17, 2009, 05:13:31 PM »
Fred, with th eperches and time, mine cost a total of $14.00 (and that includes the paint too). As for the stabilizers, the reach barely on level ground, so in areas where I am offset, it may be close, but I have wood for that until I buy longer ones.

Only thing I need now is a standard hitch ball, not a 4" drop. I have one, but the wrong size ball, so a little switch and I will be in business.

Brian Letendre, KE6IRJ
TV - 1998 Toyota 4Runner
PUP - 2001 Coleman Utah

Offline ColemanBayviewMoneypit

  • Camper, 2nd Class
  • *
  • Posts: 14
  • Gender: Male
    • QC [QC]
    • CA [CAN]
    • View Profile
2001 Coleman Utah Spring Over Axle Project
« Reply #9 on: February 17, 2009, 05:20:22 PM »
Dang!!! Great write/pics up!!! I do know a Coleman Bayview that is gonna trought the same process..

Since your camping season is much closer than mine please tell us if you see any difference while towing (less drag, more swing, etc..) Thanks and again, good job.

ps: How hard was it to diconnect/re-connect the brake lines ?(my PU is stored and surronded by snow so i can't go and take a look at it).

'98 Colemn Grandview 08Cherokee 3.0CRD
'67 Patrick '68 France
'98 Marie-Pier
'01 Ariane '01 Daph
Montral,Qubec

Offline NeedtoRoam

  • Star Camper
  • ***
  • Posts: 410
  • Gender: Male
    • CO [CO]
    • US [USA]
    • View Profile
2001 Coleman Utah Spring Over Axle Project
« Reply #10 on: February 17, 2009, 08:04:18 PM »
Brian,I think the wood blocks will be the best to go, even if you spent the time and money to lengthen the stabilizers you know you'll be in a situation where you'll need the wood blocks, so just carry them no big deal.
I went be the Starcraft dealer today and talked to them about their deal for 125.00 to do the flip. I was asked to bring the Axel in and they would do the modification for 60.00. Their lot is packed with pop-up's and no space to leave the PUP.
If I have to drop the Axel I'll just do the job myself, I know how to weld.
Patrick mentioned above, how did you handle the electric Brake wires,is there a quick disconnect, I guess I'll find out.
You did a great job!
Fred

2000 Coleman Westlake.1999 Dodge Ram 1500,1998 Dodge Durango and a 18' Tipi.

Edited by - NeedtoRoam on February 17 2009  20:05:14
2000 Coleman Westlake, Axel flip, Honda 2K Genny, Two 6 v batteries.
Dodge Ram 1500

Offline AZLetendre

  • Camper, 1st Class
  • **
  • Posts: 111
  • Gender: Male
    • AZ [AZ]
    • US [USA]
    • View Profile
2001 Coleman Utah Spring Over Axle Project
« Reply #11 on: February 18, 2009, 10:09:08 PM »
Well, the brake wires were simple, I cut them and then reattached. I bought $1.00 worth of shrink tubing and re-sealed them good as new (I hope). I don't have a brake controller in the TV yet, so I am not sure. That is a $300.00 project to have them done right...

Brian Letendre, KE6IRJ
TV - 1998 Toyota 4Runner
PUP - 2001 Coleman Utah

Offline magoo356

  • Tenderfoot
  • Posts: 2
  • Gender: Male
    • TX [TX]
    • US [USA]
    • View Profile
    • Amateur Radio Station WA5JXY
2001 Coleman Utah Spring Over Axle Project
« Reply #12 on: April 22, 2009, 12:36:55 PM »
Brian,
Many thanks for taking the time to post the excellent pictures.
After looking at them and your project, I do have a question for you or others in this forum.
I have a 1998 Coleman Westlake. When I looked at the axle/springs etc to consider raising it like you did, I panicked when I looked at the axle housing!
It is bent. So after looking at your pictures, yours looks bent also. Well maybe not bent but not a straight housing.
So is the axle housing NOT straight? Is mine ok? I bought it use so not sure what it has been through.
What makes me wonder if it is bent is that the tires are cupped and wearing on the outsides enough to make the camper hop going down the road. Is it just bad tires?
I hate to buy new tires only to ruin them if the axle is bent.
Thanks for all the tips in this forum. It is really helpful!
Neil

2005 Chevy Silverado Ext Cab
1998 Coleman Westlake
Icom 706MKIIG/Z100/Hustler Mobile HF
Amateur Radio call = WA5JXY

Offline racedirt1

  • Camper, 1st Class
  • **
  • Posts: 216
  • Gender: Male
    • IL [IL]
    • US [USA]
    • View Profile
2001 Coleman Utah Spring Over Axle Project
« Reply #13 on: April 22, 2009, 02:14:30 PM »
Nice job with the axle flip, your 4Runner looks familiar? Are you on YT or T4R.ORG?


('72) Me
('71) DW
('03) DD
('05) DS

2000 Coleman (Fleetwood) Fairview
2001 4Runner

Offline RhinoDave

  • Eagle Camper
  • *****
  • Posts: 2,106
  • Gender: Male
    • MI [MI]
    • US [USA]
    • View Profile
    • Photobucket
2001 Coleman Utah Spring Over Axle Project
« Reply #14 on: April 22, 2009, 07:06:27 PM »
Neil. Don't worry. The axle is supposed to be arched like that to compensate for flexing from the weight of the trailer. That's why you can't just rotate the axle 180 degrees and use the old spring seats to mount the axle on the underside of the springs. You have to weld new spring seats on the top of the axle to maintain the axle in the orginal orientation.

Built for comfort...not speed.
97 Coleman Niagara 87 Coleman Sun Valley (project) 08 Chevy Trailblazer
Built for comfort ... not speed.
http://www.flyingrhinocc.com/ It's a lifestyle.