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Re: New to Pup Starting Coleman ABS roof FIX
« Reply #30 on: February 19, 2013, 10:08:14 PM »
RKM, I'm planning on doing the same thing to my Sunridge as soon as the weather warms up a little.  Thanks for posting also.  I am seriously considering that Grizzly Grip bedliner to recoat the roof.  Seems like it would be inexpensive and relatively easy to do.  Keep us informed of what you decide to use.

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Re: New to Pup Starting Coleman ABS roof FIX
« Reply #31 on: February 24, 2013, 03:35:44 PM »
at the moment the pup is in the garage taking up space with a foam roof and nothing on it.  It got way to cold this winter to deal with it.  I also lost my supervisor at work.  He promoted up and No I do the work of 2 people, and I have also been putting in a lot of overtime.  At least I will get the money to fix it.  I think in the next 2-3 weeks I will start on it again.  Stay posted....

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Re: New to Pup Starting Coleman ABS roof FIX
« Reply #32 on: May 05, 2013, 08:10:06 PM »
OK HUGE update.  I have been working on my PUP over the weekend.  I have lots of pics so stand by.....

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Re: New to Pup Starting Coleman ABS roof FIX
« Reply #33 on: May 05, 2013, 09:17:10 PM »
You could always do the Black LinX and paint it white.
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Re: New to Pup Starting Coleman ABS roof FIX
« Reply #34 on: May 05, 2013, 09:44:09 PM »
OK, so its been a while since I have posted on here and I've been busy at work and just lately I got some time to work on the pup.  I chose to go with a bedliner.  I went with Monstaliner.  The guys there at Maginet Paints that developed Monstaliner are top notch.  They are easy to get in touch with and their kit has a ton of stuff in it to make sure you have what you need to complete your Job.

Eric at Maginet Paints had me use his silver chassis saver to seal the surface of the foam and allow the liner something to bond to.  I found using this product to be a HUGE key as I tested some spots using bondo.  You really need to coat with chasis saver first.  The bondo stuck to that like a champ and you could sand and feather the edges nicely.  When I just used bond on the top it would peal when it got thin.

Also I had to come up with a way to mount the metal supports for the top hold down.  When I pulled the ABS roof off 3 out of the 4 metal plates stuck to the plastic when I pulled it off.  I used Gorilla Glue and some clamps to hold the plate to the foam.  Once the glue cures you need to sand down the excess glue that expands out the sides.

The last problem was the awning.  The original awning guide is plastic and part of the ABS.  It was bonded to the ABS.  I went to a camper supply house and bought a 12' metal awning guide rail from them.  I trimmed it to size and then went to a hardware store and bought some of the plastic drywall inserts to hold the rail to the top.  Basically I held the rail in place and used a pencil and poked a small hole in the top for each hole in the rail.  I then screwed in the insert lightly and then removed it.  Next I used gorilla glue again and put a little on the threads of the insert and a dab in the hole and screwed it back in.  Once All the inserts were in .  I ran a small bead of glue down the entire rail and used the screws to tighten it all down.  I let it cure for 24 hrs and then I put the awning on it and I could rock the entire camper tugging at the awning.  It isn't going anywhere.

On to the good stuff the first few shots are of some of the bondo work before I figured out to use the Chassis Saver firs as well as the metal hold down plates.  You can see the awning rail attached in these also.

http://images2.snapfish.com/232323232%7Ffp54382%3Enu%3D327%3B%3E282%3E365%3EWSNRCG%3D38%3A44558%3B732%3Bnu0mrj
 http://images2.snapfish.com/232323232%7Ffp54349%3Enu%3D327%3B%3E282%3E365%3EWSNRCG%3D38%3A446599532%3Bnu0mrj
http://images2.snapfish.com/232323232%7Ffp5435%3B%3Enu%3D327%3B%3E282%3E365%3EWSNRCG%3D38%3A44558%3B932%3Bnu0mrj

The second group is the Monstaliner product.

http://images2.snapfish.com/232323232%7Ffp54364%3Enu%3D327%3B%3E282%3E365%3EWSNRCG%3D38%3A446%3B%3A%3C232%3Bnu0mrj
http://images2.snapfish.com/232323232%7Ffp54354%3Enu%3D327%3B%3E282%3E365%3EWSNRCG%3D38%3A446599732%3Bnu0mrj
http://images2.snapfish.com/232323232%7Ffp543%3B5%3Enu%3D327%3B%3E282%3E365%3EWSNRCG%3D38%3A446599932%3Bnu0mrj
http://images3a.snapfish.com/232323232%7Ffp73479%3Enu%3D327%3B%3E282%3E365%3EWSNRCG%3D38%3A446%3B%3A%3C432%3Bnu0mrj

This group of pics shows the Chassis Saver.  This is when I figured out that I need to have it on to even do bondo.  You can see some of the imperfections in the foam.  I didn't get any shots after a round of bondo sorry.

http://images2.snapfish.com/232323232%7Ffp54367%3Enu%3D327%3B%3E282%3E365%3EWSNRCG%3D38%3A446%3B%3A%3C632%3Bnu0mrj
http://images2.snapfish.com/232323232%7Ffp543%3B%3B%3Enu%3D327%3B%3E282%3E365%3EWSNRCG%3D38%3A446%3B%3A%3C832%3Bnu0mrj
http://images2.snapfish.com/232323232%7Ffp54433%3Enu%3D327%3B%3E282%3E365%3EWSNRCG%3D38%3A446%3B%3B3232%3Bnu0mrj

Here have done a round of bondo and painted Chassis Saver back over the bondo.  I let it cure for about 3 hours and then prepped the Monsaliner and started spraying.

http://images2.snapfish.com/232323232%7Ffp54368%3Enu%3D327%3B%3E282%3E365%3EWSNRCG%3D38%3A44659%3A232%3Bnu0mrj
http://images2.snapfish.com/232323232%7Ffp543%3A%3B%3Enu%3D327%3B%3E282%3E365%3EWSNRCG%3D38%3A446%3B%3B3532%3Bnu0mrj
http://images3a.snapfish.com/232323232%7Ffp73476%3Enu%3D327%3B%3E282%3E365%3EWSNRCG%3D38%3A44659%3A532%3Bnu0mrj

Here I am doing a second coat.  After I sprayed 1 Gal. of Monstaliner.  I did the prep on the second Gal.  I then let the first coat sit for 1 hr. to tack up.  During this time the second gal of product is setting up in a 2 gal bucket.  Not to worry This was done on purpose to get the texture I was looking for.


http://images3a.snapfish.com/232323232%7Ffp73485%3Enu%3D327%3B%3E282%3E365%3EWSNRCG%3D38%3A44659%3A732%3Bnu0mrj
http://images2.snapfish.com/232323232%7Ffp543%3B6%3Enu%3D327%3B%3E282%3E365%3EWSNRCG%3D38%3A446%3B%3B3932%3Bnu0mrj
http://images2.snapfish.com/232323232%7Ffp54433%3Enu%3D327%3B%3E282%3E365%3EWSNRCG%3D38%3A44659%3A832%3Bnu0mrj
http://images3a.snapfish.com/232323232%7Ffp73497%3Enu%3D327%3B%3E282%3E365%3EWSNRCG%3D38%3A446%3B%3B4232%3Bnu0mrj
http://images2.snapfish.com/232323232%7Ffp543%3C9%3Enu%3D327%3B%3E282%3E365%3EWSNRCG%3D38%3A44659%3A932%3Bnu0mrj
http://images2.snapfish.com/232323232%7Ffp5439%3B%3Enu%3D327%3B%3E282%3E365%3EWSNRCG%3D38%3A446%3B%3B4432%3Bnu0mrj
http://images2.snapfish.com/232323232%7Ffp54399%3Enu%3D327%3B%3E282%3E365%3EWSNRCG%3D38%3A44659%3A%3B32%3Bnu0mrj

So far I am extremely happy with the outcome of the product.  It has totally surpassed my expectations.  I just need to wait for it to cure.  I'm sure it will take a few days.  It made my PUP top look like new.  Also with this 2 Gal of liner.  I chose to take care of the brittle AC unit top.  I had to repair some cracked fins.  I then used the Chassis Saver and then sprayed the Monsaliner on it as well.  It looks sharp.  Next weekend.  I will be setting the AC unit and putting on the hold downs, and the rubber gasket.

I know there were quite a few people that were skeptical on this approach.  I think it turned out VERY nice and looks better than fiberglass in my Opinion.  This product is UV stable.  It doesn't need any UV coating, and will not chalk or fade.  You can tint it in a ton of colors.  It should last for years to come....

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Re: New to Pup Starting Coleman ABS roof FIX
« Reply #35 on: May 05, 2013, 09:51:31 PM »
You could always do the Black LinX and paint it white.

Black LinX was still in the $600+ range, and then the painting of it white is another charge.  I did think of this as well.  Unfortunately by the time I had all the costs added together getting the LinX done in White and the UV sealer on top it was only $150-200 more.  I then started researching DIY kits.  I thought I was sold on Raptor until I found Monstaliner.  This stuff is WIDELY used in the Jeep community.  I was looking for something a little more cost friendly.  I didn't want to get way into the cost that it may not be even worth the camper if you know what I am talking about.

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Re: New to Pup Starting Coleman ABS roof FIX
« Reply #36 on: May 05, 2013, 10:19:32 PM »
Well Done.  Thanks for the picture diary.
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Re: New to Pup Starting Coleman ABS roof FIX
« Reply #37 on: May 06, 2013, 01:13:53 AM »
EXCELLENT!!!! Your roof looks like NEW!!! Did you have any sag or sway in your roof before you started this project? If so, how did you correct it?
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Re: New to Pup Starting Coleman ABS roof FIX
« Reply #38 on: May 06, 2013, 07:42:04 AM »
There is a little sag in the middle from the AC unit.  I'm not pressed about it.  It is what it is.  You can see it in some of the pics.

I checked on it this morning to see how it was curing.  Wow my garage stinks...  Anyway. It is doing well, and again I found myself smiling looking at it.  So, I think it was a job well done.

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Re: New to Pup Starting Coleman ABS roof FIX
« Reply #39 on: May 06, 2013, 07:50:38 AM »
SORRY to repost this.  I'm trying to get the picturs to pop up and not a hyperlink.

OK, so its been a while since I have posted on here and I've been busy at work and just lately I got some time to work on the pup.  I chose to go with a bedliner.  I went with Monstaliner.  The guys there at Maginet Paints that developed Monstaliner are top notch.  They are easy to get in touch with and their kit has a ton of stuff in it to make sure you have what you need to complete your Job.

Eric at Maginet Paints had me use his silver chassis saver to seal the surface of the foam and allow the liner something to bond to.  I found using this product to be a HUGE key as I tested some spots using bondo.  You really need to coat with chasis saver first.  The bondo stuck to that like a champ and you could sand and feather the edges nicely.  When I just used bond on the top it would peal when it got thin.

Also I had to come up with a way to mount the metal supports for the top hold down.  When I pulled the ABS roof off 3 out of the 4 metal plates stuck to the plastic when I pulled it off.  I used Gorilla Glue and some clamps to hold the plate to the foam.  Once the glue cures you need to sand down the excess glue that expands out the sides.

The last problem was the awning.  The original awning guide is plastic and part of the ABS.  It was bonded to the ABS.  I went to a camper supply house and bought a 12' metal awning guide rail from them.  I trimmed it to size and then went to a hardware store and bought some of the plastic drywall inserts to hold the rail to the top.  Basically I held the rail in place and used a pencil and poked a small hole in the top for each hole in the rail.  I then screwed in the insert lightly and then removed it.  Next I used gorilla glue again and put a little on the threads of the insert and a dab in the hole and screwed it back in.  Once All the inserts were in .  I ran a small bead of glue down the entire rail and used the screws to tighten it all down.  I let it cure for 24 hrs and then I put the awning on it and I could rock the entire camper tugging at the awning.  It isn't going anywhere.

On to the good stuff the first few shots are of some of the bondo work before I figured out to use the Chassis Saver firs as well as the metal hold down plates.  You can see the awning rail attached in these also.





The second group is the Monstaliner product.






This group of pics shows the Chassis Saver.  This is when I figured out that I need to have it on to even do bondo.  You can see some of the imperfections in the foam.  I didn't get any shots after a round of bondo sorry.





Here have done a round of bondo and painted Chassis Saver back over the bondo.  I let it cure for about 3 hours and then prepped the Monsaliner and started spraying.





Here I am doing a second coat.  After I sprayed 1 Gal. of Monstaliner.  I did the prep on the second Gal.  I then let the first coat sit for 1 hr. to tack up.  During this time the second gal of product is setting up in a 2 gal bucket.  Not to worry This was done on purpose to get the texture I was looking for.










So far I am extremely happy with the outcome of the product.  It has totally surpassed my expectations.  I just need to wait for it to cure.  I'm sure it will take a few days.  It made my PUP top look like new.  Also with this 2 Gal of liner.  I chose to take care of the brittle AC unit top.  I had to repair some cracked fins.  I then used the Chassis Saver and then sprayed the Monsaliner on it as well.  It looks sharp.  Next weekend.  I will be setting the AC unit and putting on the hold downs, and the rubber gasket.

I know there were quite a few people that were skeptical on this approach.  I think it turned out VERY nice and looks better than fiberglass in my Opinion.  This product is UV stable.  It doesn't need any UV coating, and will not chalk or fade.  You can tint it in a ton of colors.  It should last for years to come....

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Re: New to Pup Starting Coleman ABS roof FIX
« Reply #40 on: May 06, 2013, 01:22:18 PM »
Wow great job . I am in the process of doing this . I didn't remove my top, as it didn't have that many cracks. I was going the raptor route , but now you have given me food for thought. I will have to see if my paint store can get this. The owner has been great . Letting me borrow things, so I would like to buy from him. Thank you for posting this.
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Re: New to Pup Starting Coleman ABS roof FIX
« Reply #41 on: May 06, 2013, 01:52:37 PM »
Wow great job . I am in the process of doing this . I didn't remove my top, as it didn't have that many cracks. I was going the raptor route , but now you have given me food for thought. I will have to see if my paint store can get this. The owner has been great . Letting me borrow things, so I would like to buy from him. Thank you for posting this.

Thanks on the compliments.

As far as I know Maginet Paints sells it directly.  I could be wrong though.  They do paint supply so your friend may be able to get his hands on it for you.  Eric is the creator at Maginet.  They have a website for Monstaliner as well, and also a Facebook account.  You see tons of Jeeps on there.

I was looking at the UPol.  That stuff will eat the foam if you apply directly to it.  You need something to create a barrier and bonding agent like the Chassis Paint.  Keep in mind I used 2 gal of this stuff.  I had plenty, and did the AC cover as well.

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Re: New to Pup Starting Coleman ABS roof FIX
« Reply #42 on: May 06, 2013, 05:10:27 PM »
Yes I read that. The cracks are filled with sem multiplastic . The rest is all abs, so I'm good on that front. I plan to do  the ac cover and front storage lid .
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Re: New to Pup Starting Coleman ABS roof FIX
« Reply #43 on: May 06, 2013, 05:25:38 PM »
You did an awesome job.  My roof is need of redoing only because of my own SPUTs and may have to do this if I don't cut it out.  It's nice to see a great looking alternative.  I've been keeping an eye on a number of these resurfacing threads and this is a fine example.
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« Reply #44 on: May 07, 2013, 01:01:33 PM »
If you spray the monstaliner on to abs, do you still need the silver chassis saver?
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