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« Reply #30 on: October 22, 2008, 07:51:55 AM »
Ray,

Another question.  Regarding the bike rack.  Do you think there would be problems with having 3 or 4 bikes on the bike rack.  Most of the time, it will just be my two sons bikes, and once in a while one for the wife.  I prefer to walk, although I do have a bike also.

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« Reply #31 on: October 22, 2008, 11:28:15 AM »
Hi Bob..

Well.... it depends on how much tongue weight you unload. Use this spread sheet to loosely calculate the affects of adding the weight.

On my setup, if I added 4 of the bikes I have and with my deck loading I'd be OK.

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« Reply #32 on: October 23, 2008, 10:16:02 AM »
Howdy Ray,

Thanks for the link.  I have all winter to play with the bathroom scales now.  :)

I'll be shopping for the hitch and batteries in the next few weeks.

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« Reply #33 on: March 04, 2009, 04:38:11 PM »
Ray
I was hoping this idea was going to work on my Starcraft RT 34 being of simular style but the box frame on my RT 34 stops at the back of the box and then the bumper just has some lightweight supports that go back to the frame.It looks like you frame goes beyond the box and to the bumper. Great job on this mod!

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« Reply #34 on: March 04, 2009, 04:57:32 PM »
Hi Jeff....

Fleetwood was kind enough to extend the frame to the bumper instead of stopping at the rear spring hanger or the last box mount like some. Without having that beefier frame there would be no easy way to mount it up with out doing damage.

Is there any chance on extending the frame back to mount the hitch? And the next question is: How much weight and how much does it affect the weight and balance of the rig.

I know on mine with 2 bikes loaded I loss a bit less than 10 % of the tongue. That still leaves me with around 12 to 13% of the total for tongue weight depending on how I load the deck.

If you want to find out how the added weight will affect yous, Go Here and download one of the 3 spread sheets for the trailer design you have. Plug in the dry weights and lengths and play with adding or subtracting weight. It'll be interesting to see how it affects yours.

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« Reply #35 on: March 04, 2009, 05:21:23 PM »
I used your chart last week and came up with approx. 800lbs of tongue weight so the weight of bikes in the rear would not be an issue. Its weird how the trailer experts say not to load more or less than 10-15% of your total load on the tongue but with the E3 and the RT 34 it really is not possible and still utilize the front deck (1000 lbs max). My gross weight is approx. 4300 lbs with my tongue weight at approx. 811 lbs. (18- 19%)and NOT much room inside the pup for some added rear weight. I suppose if the TV is set right and does not exceed capacity on the hitch it will be ok.

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« Reply #36 on: March 04, 2009, 05:32:44 PM »
Yeap, I here that on the tongue weight. Mine most times comes in at just over 500 lbs. Sometimes less if it is a short trip. The best thing I did though was to add a wdh. Boy did that change the way it rides....

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Edited by - grcooperjr on March 04 2009  17:34:35
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« Reply #37 on: March 04, 2009, 05:41:46 PM »
I am a fan of the wdh also. My trailer salesman said they do NOT sale these types of trailers without the wdh. I have not performed the scale test yet to see how much weight the wdh takes off the tongue and distributes up front.

Jeff
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« Reply #38 on: March 04, 2009, 09:19:58 PM »
Ray, newbie question. How do you measure the tongue weight?

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« Reply #39 on: March 04, 2009, 10:45:32 PM »
Good Question......

The best way is to go to a scale and weigh it.

If you don't have access, you can use the bath scale fulcrum method. and then lastly, you can take the published dry weights published by the MFG and plug it into one of the spread sheets I linked to above.

The first method is the most accurate. The bath scale method is also accurate. Someone on the group has a published description of how to do it. The last method is also correct but it depends on the MFG being right.

I'll see if I can snoop around and find the method for the bath scale set up. It been awhile since it was last posted.

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« Reply #40 on: March 05, 2009, 09:06:49 AM »
So how do you do it at a scale to get the most accurate info?

Do you weigh the truck by itself, then hook the trailer up but only put the truck on the scale, not the trailer and get that weight and the difference would be the tongue weight?

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« Reply #41 on: March 05, 2009, 09:30:54 AM »
Yeap that would work. Weigh the truck axles only with the trailer coupled. the re-weigh the truck by its self. Subtract the two and thats the tongue weight.

We are lucky here, we got State truck scales all over the place the loggers use. The state leaves em on when they close the station so they can be used. saves a lot of time going to a truck stop.

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« Reply #42 on: March 05, 2009, 09:53:43 AM »
Yea there's a few scales around here at the truck stops. There's also the big weigh stations that the highway patrol operate, not sure if they would let someone pull in there and use the scale though. might stick to the truck stops.

This post brought up a good point on the bike rack. The E3 that I saw at the show had the bike rack on the roof with bikes on it but of course the camper was expanded. Looked cool and functional but you're right, if that things 6 ft tall closed then it would be a heck of a chore to get the bikes on and off of it. I'm right at 6ft so a step ladder of some sort would be required.

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« Reply #43 on: March 05, 2009, 10:03:19 AM »
Yeap.... The rear bike rack on my E3 was one of my best mods. It wont work for everyone but it sure does work well on the E3 and E4's. Another good choice I made was adding the Thule Revolver as the rack. While it's not the cheapest, it is the strongest I've seen. Plus a side benefit of leaving the bikes mounted and locked on the rack and then swinging em to the side to set up the trailer.

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The boys & one Girl... Katie, Buddy, Toby, Ralphie, Sammy, & D.B."Cooper"
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« Reply #44 on: March 06, 2009, 09:48:10 AM »
Hey guys!

We too have been trying to solve the "how to bring bikes with us" question. After reading so much controversy on PUP over rear mounting, we'd given that up as we have a fairly common setup on our PU. It isn't as rough and rugged looking as your E2. We discussed the situation with my brother, a non-PU guy, who knows trailers and is very down to earth. He asks us why we aren't going to just rear mount it. We replied "tongue weight." He goes out to the drive way, lifts thse stab and attempts to lift the tongue off the ground. He then has me and my children stand on the rear bumper (adding approx 200 lbs) and attempts to lift again. He then declares that in his mind we would not mess up tongue weight.

Then yesterday, we brought the PU into the dealer for some maintenance and posed the question to them. Would it be a really bad idea to weld a hitch receiver to the rear so we can carry bikes using the bike rack we already own? He looks around back there, asks a few questions about our design and exactly what we're welding to and what everything weighs. He then says that he can't see any reason why that wouldn't work just fine.

we haven't made this modification yet. But from what I'm hearing on my end, this may actually be the answer that, it seems lots of us are searching for.

I completely agree that no one should go out and start making modifications without research and planning. Safety is absolutely paramount. I also value the wise replies from this community of experience.

My good news is that the rear mount may be a fairly simple solution!

Oh, and I can pick up a hitch receiver from any salvage yard for around $20!

Jen, Joe, and the boys.....
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