Advice 4 First timer - bought 1972 Lionel LPL-110

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  1. jmullan99

    jmullan99 New Member

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    Hello. First post on PUP. Read a WHOLE LOT of posts this weekend. Just grabbed my PUP for $300 and about to start a restore project. Took out the canvas to ship to Bear Creek Canvas for a replacement. First real job is to build me a new roof.

    I also want to perform some maintenance on the lift system. I'm hoping someone here has had a vintage Lionel and can offer some advice (pictures?).

    It's rather hard to crank up (but could partially be from the weight of wet roof wood) and does not crank come down well in one corner without stopping every foot or so and pulling down on the roof in that corner. However, it is not real hard to push down. Maybe just needs a good lube job???

    Thanks for any help. This is merely the first of (I'm sure) many questions.

    Oh, and when I get Photobucket (or something) set up, progress pictures will be available.

    Cheers,
    John

    1972 Lionel LPL110 - Restoration begins

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  2. jmullan99

    jmullan99 New Member

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    It dried up some. So I crawled under the pup to check out the cable system. Relatively easy, almost all the system is underneath and easy enough to work on. Some of the nylon pulley wheels are broken/gone. Likely some of my headaches lay here. But I do not see a good way to replace some of them. Helpful hints anyone?

    PS: This looks like my lift system. I would really like the full size docs.

    John

    1972 Lionel LPL110 - Restoration begins

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  3. Goldens

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    Congrats on your find John, and welcome.

    I don't have a clue on Lionels, maybe this link might if you have a Goshen lift system?

    http://www.customcylindersintinc.com/camper_trailer_roof_lift_system.htm


    Maybe you could find a hardware store that has some pulleys you could use to retrofit.

    good luck with your project.

    PS. I found three more links for you, the last 2 are 2 different styles and as large as can be viewed without me downloading them and messing with them in Photoshop. I don't know that they would come out any more legible by doing so. If you are using firefox 3 as a browser you can try zooming in by holding down the ctrl key and moving the mouse wheel.

    http://www.goshenstamping.com/content/lift_system.htm

    http://www.goshenstamping.com/content/1473.htm

    http://www.goshenstamping.com/content/2660.htm



    Steve.

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    1983 15' Indian canoe <img src=../Images/icons/icon_smile_canoe.gif border=0 align=middle alt="Canoe">

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  4. JamesRL

    JamesRL New Member

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    Hey John,

    I bought an LPL 80 just last year.

    I too had some issues when putting it up in camp driveway, with unevenness. A little Liquid Wrench and it now goes up pretty evenly and easily.

    There is a Bonair specific MSN group that might also be able to help:
    http://groups.msn.com/BonairTenttrailerGroup/_whatsnew.msnw
    Bonair/Lionel/Lextra were all made by the same company and share similarities.

    There is a link to Lionel manual from here, and on the Bonair site, its pretty generic though.

    There are links on the Bonair site to a guy in Edmonton who takes apart old campers for parts, he seems to have lots of Bonair/Lionel parts.

    Here is the link to my trailer pics:
    http://s239.photobucket.com/albums/ff34/JamesRL_photo/Lionel%20%20Trailer/

    Probably nothing to help you there, but if you need me to snap something specific, let me know.

    James

    1976 Lionel LPL 80
    2002 Mazda MPV, 16' Canoe
    Wife/3 Kids/Black Lab
     
  5. jmullan99

    jmullan99 New Member

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    Thanks for the reply Goldens. Unfortunately, the lift system is not a Goshen.

    This is what my lift system looks like.

    I will be going over to the local big box store to see if there seems to be any pulleys that I could retrofit. I think it is just the unknown at the moment that makes me worry. But I figure that I will need to drill holes in the frame to install eye bolts or something to use common type pulleys.

    John

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  6. jmullan99

    jmullan99 New Member

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    Thanks for the reply James.

    There are some similarities, especially the canvas color, and cushion color!!

    Check my other post. Do you have the same lift system?

    John

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  7. Goldens

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    John, glad you found what you were looking for. I took a look at the camper album and noticed the swedging (sp)tool to compress the fitting when you loop the cable. I didn't have one of those, but a dull cold chisel worked fine for me to close the swedges (sp) by placing it in the middle of the fitting and giving it a good whack.

    Steve.

    1988 Palomino Colt <img src=../Images/icons/icon_smile_pu.gif border=0 align=middle alt="PopUp">
    1985 Dodge B250 van <img src=../Images/icons/icon_smile_suv.gif border=0 align=middle alt="Tow Vehicle">
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  8. JamesRL

    JamesRL New Member

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    Not exactly, if those illustrations are close to yours. I have a gearbox in the back, two cables left two to the right. The lift arms themsleves look the same, and the pulleys.

    If you want to look at mine, come on over, but I've never had it apart.

    James

    1976 Lionel LPL 80
    2002 Mazda MPV, 16' Canoe
    Wife/3 Kids/Black Lab
     
  9. jmullan99

    jmullan99 New Member

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    Where do folks pick up their replacement pulley wheels? Are they typically available at the local RV parts places? It may be better for me to do that then rig new ones. Looking underneath there are 3 out of 8 that need replacing.

    John

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  10. Goldens

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    Don't know what to tell you, you could always take the pulleys apart just for the wheel though.

    Steve & Tucker (Golden Retriever)
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  11. campfixer

    campfixer New Member

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    Try rvworkshop.com, Mc Master-Carr or MSC Co. for your pulleys. You are definitely going to ned to replace them to correct the problems you are having. A missing wheel makes the cables uneven and the top will bind going up and down.
     
  12. Blkymom

    Blkymom New Member

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    There is a group for bonair owners on msn....here's the link...Bonair Tent Trailer Group

    It has a lot of info about Bonair and Lionel Tent Trailers, one of the members was a founder of Bonair Leisure industries...the makers of bonair and lionel. There are documents and manuals too, along with lots of help from knowledgeable members.
    Hope this helps.

    Tammy, Clint & Boys
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    '93 Jeep Grand Cherokee
     
  13. kmh1596

    kmh1596 Wilbraham, MA

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    If you have broken pulleys, I'll bet thats the hesitation you're having when lowering it down. For my lift system, they recommend that I use a couple drops of gear lube on the sleeves, to assist in it lowering. This is not to say its your fix, rather a probable help to future issues once you get it all dialed in. Sorry I don't know much about Lionel pups, but I am eager to see pics of it, something of this vintage can be nothing except for COOL!

    Good Luck on your project, I may be able to help some on the roof repairs, as I've done some myself unfortunately... <img src=../Images/icons/icon_smile_blackeye.gif border=0 align=middle alt="Black Eye">

    Keep us posted!

    *Kevin*
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  14. jmullan99

    jmullan99 New Member

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    Well, I was going to start on the roof this weekend. Nothing but rain, with excessive rain waring for tomorrow (stupid IKE). Anyway, should get that started later this week and next weekend. As for the broken pulleys, I will also experiment if my first custom attempt with the HD pulleys and eye bolts.

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  15. santuitman

    santuitman New Member

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    Hello
    I just picked up my first pop up and have similar problems with pulleys... along with other issues.
    I was able to find some nice heavy metal pulleys in my local hardware store that are really slider door rollers but they are the right size and have bearing in the roller itself. Good luck and don't run out of patience like I did!
    Brian
     
  16. jmullan99

    jmullan99 New Member

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    Thanks Santuitman. I will have a look in the slider door repair section and see what I can find. Sounds like an excellent idea.

    John

    [EDIT] Just went to the big orange box and what do ya know? Bought a set of just those very wheels. Look like exact replacements, only metal. It's a beautiful thing. I hope to do one by the weekend.

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  17. jmullan99

    jmullan99 New Member

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    Well. A bit of a disappointment. The diameter of the slider door wheels is just a hair too big to fit in my lift arms. Dang it all.

    Needs to fit in here:

    <img src="http://inlinethumb56.webshots.com/43575/2929248480103989770S500x500Q85.jpg" border=0>


    Any other sources or ideas?

    Cheers,
    John
    1972 Lionel LPL110 - Restoration has begun.

    Edited by - jmullan99 on September 22 2008 18:02:20
     
  18. jmullan99

    jmullan99 New Member

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    Okay. I found a set of metal "sliding screen door" wheels at HD and tried them. Perfect. Works great (a couple new pix on my webshots). The larger "sliding patio door" wheels look like they will fit the bill on the pulleys on the underside.

    That's tomorrow.

    Cheers,
    John
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