Goshen Troubleshooting

Discussion in 'Lift Systems' started by Jack Gregory, Nov 3, 2017.

  1. Jack Gregory

    Jack Gregory New Member

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    Hello,

    I recently bought an 85 Scamper with a Goshen Lift System as a project. Long story short, there was a problem with the lift...front spring and 1 front lift post was damaged. According to the guy I bought it from, someone tried to crank it up with one of the latches still closed.

    I've replaced the spring and post and everything worked fine until tonight when I put the roof back on. At the moment, the front is not lifting at all and the back does does retract all the way unless I physically push it down.

    Any suggestions on what I should do next. I was thinking my next step would be to reinstall the front sping to see if that helps. BTW, the winch seems to work fine.

    Thanks,
    Jack
     
  2. Dusty road

    Dusty road Active Member

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    I've not had that problem, mine went back together okay. My suggestion is to call Goshen stamping and ask. The front desk girls know all the lift systems, helped me a ton.
     
  3. Antipodes

    Antipodes Call me Paul

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    Sounds like there is a problem with the cable?
    Did you pull the whole system apart to lube it.
    If you haven't and it was a fixer upper, I suggest you do that to check the rest of the components are undamaged and fitted correctly.
    They may have said one thing and actually done another!
     
  4. Jack Gregory

    Jack Gregory New Member

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    Thanks to both of you for the reply. I took your advice and called Goshen. They really do know their stuff. She thinks with all the trouble I was having, I might have damaged my main cable so I will replace that and lube it really good. I'd rather do that at home than to get it working again only for it to fail while on a trip. Again...thanks for the advice.
     
  5. Antipodes

    Antipodes Call me Paul

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    No Problems Jack,
    I have just changed my cable and winch (From electric to manual).
    It is reasonably easy, but extremely messy.
    If you can lay a cheap ground sheet over the drive or ground where you are going to do the work. (reasonably large)
    It will make sure when it is all greased and you start assembling, it does not get all the grit and rubbish caught in the grease while you are putting everything back in.
    While you have the springs out of the Master Tube, I recommend you give them a once over to make sure they are all OK.
     
  6. Jack Gregory

    Jack Gregory New Member

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    Thanks! I planned to go through everything realy well while I had it apart.
     
  7. Dusty road

    Dusty road Active Member

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    One tip. Find a YouTube video on your winch make and model and watch it. The Goshen instructions for winding the cable onto the winch are wrong and will mess you up. The rest of the instructions pertaining to the spring tubes and the cable are fine.
     
  8. Jack Gregory

    Jack Gregory New Member

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    Well, it seems we have finally figured out the issues I was having with my lift system. I spoke to the ladies at Goshen and they were extremely helpful. The problem was the database for parts. My year and model had two sets of specs in it. One for a normal Skamper and another for the 14 ft Skamper like I have. The first set of springs were for the shorter version as was the cable I ordered. I now have the correct springs showing up Thursday so I should get my lift system working properly now. New cables, new springs, a good bit of grease and I think I'll have a reliable system pretty soon. The other advantage to all this is that I'm pretty experienced with how the lift system works so won't feel as hesitant about diving in and taking it apart if I should run into other problems. I think I've taken it apart about 6 times now including my mistakes. Thanks again for your advice and help.
     
  9. Jack Gregory

    Jack Gregory New Member

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    Now that that is out of the way....would a combo oil based paint and primer work for repainting the exterior of the camper??
     
  10. Dusty road

    Dusty road Active Member

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    Any paint or coating needs to be able to expand and contract. For the roof, guys have been using a roll on bed liner called grizzly grip.
     
  11. Jack Gregory

    Jack Gregory New Member

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    Well...the good news is I have a fully functioning lift system now & my painting project is coming along splendidly. I'm hoping that by the weekend, I'll have the exterior complete and finally be able to move on to the inside which is where I planned on being over a month ago.

    Now next question....my camper has four tires. LOL. When choosing which load rating to buy, does each tire have to be rated for the full weight of the vehicle or is the load distributed between all four? My Skamper is around 1600lbs. Does that mean I need to buy E rated tires or can I go with C rated? The difference is 1650lb and 1100lb load capacity respectively.
     
  12. Antipodes

    Antipodes Call me Paul

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    Nice. Nearly all set to go.

    If the tire is rated to 900 lbs then that is the load on that tire.
    As you say if you have 4 tires then MAX load of 900 lbs X 4 is 3,600 lbs.
    However I always have a safety margin and I think it is wise to ensure the load is not above 80% of maximum.
    This is because I travel on rough gravel roads and avoiding large potholes is difficult and can really put a lot stress on tires.

    Others can answer the rating question as we have a different system here in NZ.
     
  13. Mamie

    Mamie Active Member

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    You have a Cadillac. Can't wait to see what you do with it. When I was looking, I wanted a 12-14 foot camper. I had never even been in a popup before. The one that I got is 10 ft. At first I thought it was small, but it doesn't seem so now. I'm thinking it should be plenty of room for myself, my dog and my cat and if anybody else goes, we'll fit them in too. It does have an awning that I've never seen and I have folding chairs, so the camper would be mostly for sleeping.
     
  14. dksimon

    dksimon UNITED WE STAND

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    Glad you got your lift system repaired! Now that you have experience in a Goshen lift system you can now help others here.
    Keep in mind you have the best and easiest system to work on! Only one cable to ever replace and only one adjustment to make for leveling during raising and lowering! What more could you ask for!
    I usually grease my system 2 times a year, might be over kill but I have not had any problems with the lift. I use lithium grease, but anything is better than nothing at all.
    For safety never ever let anyone inside until the safety post are installed.
    My purchase was made knowing the roof was bad and leaking. I replaced the curb sideboard and the front and back boards, it still has the original road sideboard, I sealed the boards with many coats of poly before final install and painted for assembly. On the exterior roof I sealed sealed sealed all edges using putty tape and new brass screws make sure anywhere water might penetrate to seal it ! If you can see a crack it will leak! I did quite a bit of tenting repair thinking I could get another year out of it and I think that was 3 or 4 yrs ago and so far no leaks.
    I have a new project now a 2007 Fleetwood Williamsburg and you guessed it major roof problems! Just a 3ft x 4ft hole forward of the A/C ! Will sell or give my Dutchmen to my daughter but she lives in Seattle!
    Where do you live that your painting in Dec?
     

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