How does shower potty combo work ?

Discussion in 'Camper Pre-Purchase Questions' started by luv2camp1972, Jun 11, 2008.

  1. luv2camp1972

    luv2camp1972 New Member

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    Okay...so we got tired of trying to find a used pop up at this time of the year..so we are going to see a new one on Thursday...2008 Starcraft 2406, here is my question...We are use to camping in a travel trailer with my parents, and I know how the tanks work in it, but I have no idea how they work in a pop up. I would like to know how the toilet and shower work as far as the grey and black water tanks go? How do you dump them? Capacity? We will just use the toilet for nights and I am concerned about the capacity of the black water tank...when sewer is not available Thanks!!!

    Brent & Laura in Georgia
    1 Daughter & 3 Camping Dogs

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  2. Digger

    Digger Foothills of Central Virginia

    Welcome to the Portal Brent & Laura!

    I didn't see the Starcraft 2406 on their website, but I looked at a 2409. Presuming they are similar....if the potty is a Thetford Cassette toilet (which it looks like in the pictures) you don't have a black or grey water tank, per se. The Cassette potties have a removable 3 gallon tank that you hand carry to a dump station, or the bathhouse, and empty. Sounds really iffy, but it is a relatively clean process. The tank has a long, rotating dump spigot that makes it easy to dump.

    Gray water is routed to an outside drain that must be hooked into some kind of portable collection tank, again disposed of in an appropriate manner. A few Popups have a onboard gray water tank, and a couple have a true black water tank...but looking at the 2409, that doesn't seem to be the case. A little inconvenient, but not too bad.....

    ~Cheers~ Ðigger
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  3. NYgranny

    NYgranny New Member

    We have a 2004 2409, and Digger is right on! You would need to collect the gray water from the shower as you do from the sink drain. We usually camp in parks with shower facilities, and don't use our shower. The Thretford cassette toilet we use mostly for middle-of-the-night liquid waste. DH does the dumping. He says it's not difficult or messy. You don't open the vent on the tank until you're ready to dump, so there is no spilling or odor.

    Barb

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  4. becasunshine

    becasunshine New Member

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    I would say they work very well. <img src=../Images/icons/icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle alt="Smile">

    As far as capacity goes:

    We use a 15 gallon wheelie gray water tote, and we dump it once a day.

    Sometimes I wish we'd gotten a larger gray water tote, but so far so good. I often shower in our PUP. We prepare and clean up from at least two meals a day. I guess emptying a 15 gallon gray water container once a day in light of that usage isn't bad. In addition, we aren't trying to store or haul a huge gray water tank.

    We've hit "full" on our Thetford cassette toilet twice, both times during a 10 day trip. The little red light has come on saying that, for our cassette, we have about 3 more uses.

    Of course, both times the indicator light came on in the wee hours of the morning.

    On the first occasion we were able to empty the cassette early the next day without further usage.

    On the second occasion I did use the cassette once more before we emptied it.

    Incidentally we *use* our cassette. I do not discriminate between "waste."

    That's probably too much information but there is a reason why I share:

    We've not had any problems with odors, and the Thetford chemicals dissolve all of the waste into a lovely blue non-smelly liquid that easily empties at the dump station.

    We do use RV toilet paper.

    That being said, it's just Husband and me using the cassette. If we had a family or a large group camping we'd use the campground's bathroom facilities, just like we still do when we tent camp.

    We also use the campground's bathroom and shower facilities intermittently when we camp in the PUP.

    It's really nice to have that choice, though- if the bath house is crowded, or has seen a *really busy* day, or the staff just hasn't gotten there yet, it's nice to have your own facilities.

    You might want to stash a box of disposable latex or similar gloves in your PUP to use when working at the dump station.

    Cleaning the "shoilet," as we call it, couldn't be easier. Wipe down with a soapy paper towel, appropriate sponge or cloth and rinse the whole thing down with hot water from the shower handle. Wipe dry with a towel before stowing to mitigate moisture problems in the folded PUP.

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    Edited by - becasunshine on June 11 2008 17:13:19
     
  5. luv2camp1972

    luv2camp1972 New Member

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    Thank you all so much for your information...it was really helpful! I loved all the details and ideas. It has been a long time since we have camped in a pu, we have been camping on the dark side...in my parents Starcraft Hybrid and then their 30 foot Sunnybrook for several years now...going to be fun to "really camp" We went and looked at the camper today. We will PICK IT UP TOMORROW!!! Yipee! I loved it! They are putting the a/c on it tomorrow, and then they give you "camper" lessons...they go over every tiny detail of the camper with you. Had to have a/c camping in 95 degree weather in GA...taking her out on Friday for her maiden voyage. We are going to one of our camping club's annual rally at FDR state park, it is one of my favorite parks. I can't wait!! Thanks again, ya'll are great!

    Brent & Laura in Georgia
    1 Daughter & 3 Camping Dogs

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    Edited by - luv2camp1972 on June 11 2008 23:18:50
     
  6. Digger

    Digger Foothills of Central Virginia

    Congrats! Enjoy FDR park...I camped there last August...the park was nearly empty (after school started?)...and it was easily 95, and all we had was 2 fans....was pretty uncomfortable...but a beautiful park!

    ~Cheers~ Ðigger
    2004 Fleetwood Westlake - StonyBlue
    2002 Econoline E-150
     
  7. luv2camp1972

    luv2camp1972 New Member

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    Thanks Digger! The last time we camped there it was in April...and CHILLY! So, this is going to be a different story. Once again, thanks for the advice!

    Brent('73) & Laura ('72)
    1 DD ('97) & 3 Camping Dogs
    2008 Starcraft 2406<img src=../Images/icons/icon_smile_pu.gif border=0 align=middle alt="PopUp">2007 Jeep Commander<img src=../Images/icons/icon_smile_jeep.gif border=0 align=middle alt="Jeep">
     
  8. PattieAM

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    Enjoy Camp Driveway first so you can stock your PUP with the essentials (cooking/eating/bathing/bedding), and get to know your PUP and it's amenities.

    When you are at the dealership, have them demonstrate/show you everything....and, find the applicable owners guide and go through it while doing the set up, etc.

    You might even get the dealership to kick in the 4 wheel chocks, sewer hose, white water hose, pressure regulator, leveling blocks/level. (My dealer kicked in a 'starter' package of water hose, sewer hose and chemicals). **they might even discount a 'tote'!

    If you can't get the freebies....Walmart carries them in their camping/RV section and the prices are lower than most other places.
     
  9. twolarsons

    twolarsons Charleston, SC

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    My PU has a combo shower/toilet that works the same way larger RVs do, with a black tank and a gray tank. This is not a cassette toilet. It's a 9 gallon black and 15 gallon gray and it empties just like the big boys do. Hook up the sewer line at the dump station. Pull the release for the black tank first, then pull the release for the gray tank. Drop in a few drops of "anti-stink" tank treatment in the toilet everytime you set up and you won't have a problem.

    Eric
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  10. Luv2ridebikes

    Luv2ridebikes New Member

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    We have the portable gray water tank (25 gallon) and a 6 gallon cassette porta potty. I like the combination. The dealer talked us into the 25 gallon instead of 15 gallon and I am glad he did. We just finished a week of camping. DW and I use the shower each day and normal sink usage. I dumped the gray water tank 3 times, but really only needed to twice. I dumped once just to keep the weight down. I was walking the tank down to the dump station.

    I had to dump the cassette about 5 days into the trip. We use it mostly morning and night, but aren't hesitant to use it during the day. We use it for liquid only.

    I like the fact that the gray water tank is ready to roll at any time and I prefer the cassette because I can remove and carry it to the dump station or empty in a toilet even. The problem with the smaller tanks built into some pop ups is that you may have to transfer fluid to a portable tank unless you want to take down the pop up if the tank fills before your trip is over. Those tanks will be fine for a weekend trip, but iffy for a week long venture.

    You can restrict usage to preserve the tank capacity, but we chose to buy a camper with those features so we could use them.

    Steve & Deb (boys are grown & gone)
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  11. campingcleatus

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    Digger, I noticed you said that you empty the container at the dump station or the bath house. Do you mean just flush it down one of the toilets in the bath house? I have the cassette style potty, and always dump it at the dump station. It would be easier and quicker to just empty it at the bath house instead, but I figured that would just creep everyone out in the bath house, and I've never seen other people empty theirs in the bath house either. Is that OK to do? If it is then that's what I gonna start doing. I camped this weekend at a campground by the Kentucky Speedway, and the dump station was a mile long. I just pulled up to next of one of the many porta-lets and just dumped it in there.

    Andy


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  12. rarin 2 go

    rarin 2 go New Member

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    We have used porti potties for years when winter camping and they are easy to use and empty. When done properly you will not mess up a flush toilet in the bath house at all.

    Trixson and Terri Stables
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  13. Digger

    Digger Foothills of Central Virginia

    Andy, sorry for not getting back to you sooner.. I was gone last weekend!

    Personally, I haven't dumped the cassette at the bathhouse, though many here say they do. I have actually only used the cassette on one trip, and used the dump station. I have dumped my gray water in an outside bathhouse dish washing sink, otherwise I have used the dump station for that too. Some CGs I've been to have gray water dumps ("dry wells") located here and there throughout the CG...that is a wonderful feature that I wish more CGs would adopt.

    ~Cheers~ Ðigger
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  14. luv2camp1972

    luv2camp1972 New Member

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    Thanks for all the responses! We did not driveway camp before we took her out...though I highly recommend this for people who do not camp in any sort of RV on a regular basis...but we have been travel trailer camping with my parents for about 5 years. We did not get to our destination until 9:45...fun setting up a pup for the first time in the dark!!! And we forgot trash bags and a lighter!! But, we were with a camping club that we belong to who have many seasoned campers (who started out with pups) who picked up our slack! <img src=../Images/icons/icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle alt="Wink">

    We bought our pup from Peco in Georgia, they are great!! When you pick up your camper, they set up an appointment and go over every tiny detail...pop it up...etc...took about an hour for the lessons...they did give us fresh water hose and other accessories, this is just the norm with them...this is the 4th camper my family has purchased from them and it is always the same.

    About the cassette potty, sewage etc...my parents had a blue tank for gray that we borrowed...I am not sure how many gallons it holds, it is pretty much medium sized one...and we dumped the black water at the dump station...all in all very easy!! I actually think that it is easier than a black water holding tank, because if you don't have sewer hook up and you need to dump, you can just take it to the dump station and dump it without having to take the whole RV...which I have seen friends do before...

    I have one more funny comment and then I will hush...all my friends with TT's now say how much work a pup is etc...one of our friends starting breaking his TT down at the same time the DH and I started breaking the pup down...he was still working after we were hitched and pulling out and leaving for home! HA! HA! We see what is the most work!

    Brent('73) & Laura ('72)
    1 DD ('97) & 3 Camping Dogs
    2008 Starcraft 2406<img src=../Images/icons/icon_smile_pu.gif border=0 align=middle alt="PopUp">2007 Jeep Commander<img src=../Images/icons/icon_smile_jeep.gif border=0 align=middle alt="Jeep">
     
  15. chjoyful

    chjoyful New Member

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    So glad you had a good trip!
    We use our shower and cassette toilet all the time and have had no problems. At times, the dh will empty it at home in the clean out in front of the house. The gray tank gets empty daily when we need to use it. None of it is too much of an issue.

    carolyn
     
  16. PattieAM

    PattieAM New Member

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    I have an 06 Niagara with the potty/shower, and the residential style ceramic toilet has a 9 gallon holding tank. Depends upon usage how long it takes to fill 3/4's in order to dump.

    My unit does not have a grey water storage tank. If not hooked up to a sewered campsite, I take along a 25-gallon Barker blue tote (which can be towed by the tow vehicle to the dump station). I hook the tote via sewer hose (which I've shortened) to the discharge on the PUP, and leave the greywater valve open (or it will back up into my shower), and will close the valve when it's time to dump the blackwater holding tank. Once the blackwater tank is dumped, I will either use my Aqua-flush fitting and back wash the lines/tank and hoses, or close the blackwater valve and fill my sink/shower with water, open the greywater valve to rinse the sewer hose.

    Using the 25 gal. tote - takes several days to fill as we are rather conservative with water usage.
     
  17. Dr.Hook

    Dr.Hook New Member

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    I was quite impressed at how easy it is to empty the cassette toilet, and how esy it is to operate. No smell, no mess, no fuss.

    We've used ours a few times now,and I must say we are real glad we have it on the new pup. A MUST have for any future pups.

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