Replacing the power center

Discussion in 'Power - Site Power/Batteries/Generators/Solar' started by KC9ECI, May 11, 2008.

  1. KC9ECI

    KC9ECI New Member

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    Hi all-

    I just brought home a new (to me) 1995 Rockwood 1640. Very plain little camper. I like it. It has a Magnetek 6406 power center. It's frelled. I'm looking at the Parallax 6730 and a WFCO 8955. I know the 6730 will be a direct replacement as far as size goes. I'm not finding a cut out dimension on the WFCO unit. I don't imagnine that it would be bigger, and smaller isn't a problem as I'm a carpenter with access to a disgustingly expensice CNC router. the camper only needs the 12V for 2 small lights that I'm going to upgrade to LED's and the heater. Perhaps the water pump if it has a demand system like my boat, I haven't looked that far yet. The WFCO is attractive to me for a couple of reasons. First of all, the excess power availability would be enough to run the heater, the lights, and a 100 watt amateur radio and laptop. Secondly, it claims to be filtered so as to not generate RFI.

    I can see the pros to installing the WFCO, including the price for which I can get one. Can anyone think of any cons or issues that I need to be aware of that I'm just not seeing? Thanks for the assist.
     
  2. ogeer3

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    I changed out my converter to a WFCO 8725 a year ago. It has 25A of filtered 12V output and one of the main things that I like about it is it has a built in 3-stage charger for the battery.

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  3. Yoti14

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    I Been doing the reserch on both of these power centers. From what I have gathered the Parallax is the better one in specs and price. It is a 30 amp, comes with the breakers, and is filtered 12V. The WFCO is only 25 amp, does NOT come with breakers so you have to spend $15 to $30 more, and everything else is the same as the Parallax. So from what I'm gathering, the WFCO on the surface appears cheaper, but in reality it's not. At least thats what I've been reading, and I've been looking alot. It seems that the Parallax is the better buy and by the time you finish your only spending $10 more on it. It's always the extras that make a cheaper product not so cheap. Of course they both are better than mine, so either one would work for me.

    Hope this helps.

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  4. KC9ECI

    KC9ECI New Member

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    Yoti, I think you and I are looking at different units. Also, the one I'm looking at is used from a private party and he's asking $50.

    I finally found some specs with hole dimension.

    <BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana,Arial,Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote> WFCO 8955ANP 55 Amp Power Center
    Specifications:

    UL, cUL and FCC Class B listed.

    Two-year warranty

    Model 8955, 55 Amps DC Output

    Input: 105-120 VAC, 60 Hz, 12.0 Amps (950 Watt)

    Output: Nominal 13.6 VDC (Includes charging and load); Boost 14.4 VDC; Sleep 13.2 VDC

    Dimensions: 13-7/8” wide; 11-9/16” high; 9” deep.

    Mounting cut-out: 12” wide, 11” high.

    Shipping Weight: 10 lbs <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana,Arial,Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>
    https://bestconverter.com/WFCO-8955-ANP-55-Amp-_p_65-53.html
     
  5. Yoti14

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    YYeah KC9ECI I was looking at WFCO that Ooger mentioned. So thats where my comparison was coming from. $50 huh? I wish I could find a deal like that. Thats a pretty beefy power center, I would totally snag that up.

    On a side note, where in Wisconsin do you Hail from? I'm on the southside of Milwaukee.

    Jeff

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  6. I hate computers. I just typed out a long & detailed answer to this, and there was an error when I tried to post it. <b>POOF</b>... gone into the ether.

    Anyway, I recently upgraded from a Magnetek 6620 to a Parallax 6730. By the time you add the breakers to the WFCO, you're looking at at least a $100 difference in price. I paid $129 from RV Power Parts Plus. They were great people to deal with, too.

    I can't see why anyone would need 55 amps. I run a furnace, water pump, lights, inverter, and 2 audio amps (with a sub), laptop, etc. 30amps is more than satisfactory for that.


    Joe

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  7. KC9ECI

    KC9ECI New Member

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    Yoti, I'm just North of LaCrosse. Small town called Galesville. Not too far from where the Medflight crashed last night.

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  8. Erwin

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    KC0ECI,
    If you can get the WFCO 8955 with breakers for $50 go for it. It will be WAY more than you will ever need but you can't beat the price. Normally you find converters that size in large TTs and motorhomes. If I could not find a deal like you have I would go with the 6730. I got a WFCO 8725 last fall. The only thing I can complain about is that, if you wire it as per the manual, there is no real "master" circuit breaker.(that is to say if you flip 1 breaker the whole AC system is powered down.)It CAN be made to have a main but you have to be a little creative with how you wire up the shore power
    I can't find a schematic for the PP6730 but in the pictures it does have a "main" breaker.
    BTW looking at the schematic for the WFCO, it also does have a "main"

    Let's go camping!!
     
  9. KC9ECI

    KC9ECI New Member

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    You guys talked me in to it. I decided to go with the 6730. It's less power supply than I wanted to use, but for a grand total of $138, I get new, a wiring diagram, and a warrenty. Sometimes its worth paying a little more.

    "Police, Firefighters and EMS are the most collectively dysfunctional group of people in existence and only we understand each other!"
     
  10. Erwin

    Erwin New Member

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    KC9ECI,
    It may be less that than you wanted but I'm pretty sure it's more than you will need.

    If you are in one of the groups in your signature, let me say THANK YOU for your services!

    Me
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    Edited by - Erwin on May 11 2008 18:31:50
     
  11. KC9ECI

    KC9ECI New Member

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    Erwin-

    If I run 100 watts with my ham radio, I need 20 amps just for that. I don't often run that much power though, normally I run what they term QRP and that means 5 watt output, so the 6730 will do me and if I need more wattage, I can do as I've done in the past and use a generator/shoreline current and my Alinco power supply.

    As to my sig line, I've been a volunteer hosegrunt since 1992.

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  12. Erwin

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    KC9ECI,
    My Father in Law is a Ham. Call letters W2UAD. Give him a shout sometime. (if that's what you call it :) )I don't know when he is normally on.

    If you ever do any dry camping (no hookups),with the radio, I don't think the battery would last too long, 20 amps is a heck of a power draw.

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  13. Micksc

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  14. KC9ECI

    KC9ECI New Member

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    FYI, I ordered my 6730 from RV Power Parts Plus Sunday evening, and it was sitting on my doorstep when I came home from work this afternoon. I had to enlarge the cutout to make it fit, but I have it mounted now. I need to go to Menards tomorrow and get some strain reliefs and wire nuts and do the wiring Friday.

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  15. Yoti14

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    How much did they charge you for shipping, if you don't mind my asking?

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  16. KC9ECI

    KC9ECI New Member

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    The total was like $138 and change. Not bad, less than $10 in shipping. I couldn't take it, I had to go to Menards last night. I got the stuff I needed and I'll finish it off tonight.

    This camper has a short tongue and no real good place to mount a battery so I'm thinking about an AGM battery in a marine style battery box under the bench with the power supply. There should be no outgassing issue with the AGM like there would be with a standard lead acid deep cycle. Now I'm just shopping about for the best deal. Farm and Barn (Fleet) had a nice one for about $130.

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  17. If you <b>have</b> to install the battery in the interior, I wouldn't recommend putting it anywhere near the converter. The converter is capable of sparks that could ignite any stray fumes. I'm a bit of a worrier when it comes to things like that.


    Joe

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  18. KC9ECI

    KC9ECI New Member

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    Normally i am too, and would be if the battery wasn't going to be an agm. I may still elect to go with a standard battery and just set it in a box on the ground near where the main electical enters and plug it in as needed.

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  19. Yoti14

    Yoti14 Member

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    LOL Thats Funny, I think Wisconsin people are the only ones to call Farm & Fleet, Farm & Barn. Thats a great deal. I'm probably gonna get the same deal you got. Thanks for the Info Dude.

    JEff

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  20. KC9ECI

    KC9ECI New Member

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    Well when you live between Farm & Fleet and Fleet Farm like I do, the generic Farm & Barn is a good catch all. I found a really nice non-AGM deep cycle marine/RV battery at one place and brought it home. I have a plastic marine box to put it in. Now I just need to figure out an exterior place to mount it. I won't have time to put it all together now until next week though, we're heading to Jelley Stone for the weekend. http://www.jellystonewarrens.com/js We've got a cabin for the weekend and I'm going to scope the place out for a possible future campout. I'm also planning a guy's weekend with some of my pre-married days drinking buddies at Arbutus, http://www.co.jackson.wi.us/html/forestry/parks.html I'm also planning on taking the family to Merlin Lambert Park. I knew Merlin when I was a kid in high school and actually helped build that park one summer. Lake Wazee would be a good one too. I've been to the bottom of Lake W, back when it was an iron mine.

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