What do you tow with your “5000 lb” limit

Discussion in 'Camper Pre-Purchase Questions' started by D2forever, Aug 11, 2018.

  1. D2forever

    D2forever New Member

    Aug 11, 2018
    First, let me say you folks are awesome. Been on another forum this pat week and been told repeatedly I just needed to go buy a new TV. Not an option. Looking at PUP. Done my math. Think I know what I can do, but would love some real life feedback. So if your tow limit is 5000 lbs, what are you actually towing and what’s your TV. Mines a 2016 Ford Explorer V6, factory package. Looking at Jayco 12SC and Fleetwood 280BH. Thanks!
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  2. joet

    joet Well-Known Member

    Mar 16, 2011
    Elkins WV area
    First, Welcome from the West Virginia mountains
    I go 80% of the limit.
    I have a 5500 lb limit and am towing 3700lbs with a 5.3 Colorado
  3. WVhillbilly

    WVhillbilly Well-Known Member

    Jun 6, 2018
    I have a 2018 4Runner. Rated at 5K towing.
    Camper dry weight is around 2300.
    Tows just fine.

    Model is, Uh I'll get back to you.
    Pictures on here somewhere.
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  4. nineoaks2004

    nineoaks2004 Every meal is a picnic and every Day is a holiday

    Oct 15, 2006
    Graceville, Florida
    A lot depends the extra weight you are carrying, if you load everything up to take with you you could go over the weight.
  5. Raycfe

    Raycfe Waterford Ct.

    Oct 3, 2007
    Waterford, Ct
    awelcome.jpg Greetings from the Connecticut shoreline.
    IMG_0146.JPG Here's 3600 lbs towed by 4.3 Jimmy with max 5000lb tow package . Did ok but at its limit. Replaced the Jimmy with an ecoboost F150. Night and day difference.
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  6. D2forever

    D2forever New Member

    Aug 11, 2018
    Thanks! I’m finally comfortable with the math just really looking for real life, this is what we tow and with what. The other forum seemed to have mostly folks with 10 k plus tow ratings. So glad to have some real life feedback.
  7. myride

    myride Well-Known Member

    May 14, 2015
    Edmonton, AB
    Most Popups should be within tour capacity....just watch what your totals are with all the gear/people packed in your TV.
  8. D2forever

    D2forever New Member

    Aug 11, 2018
    Thank you. Just really curious what everyone is towing with what.
  9. kitphantom

    kitphantom Well-Known Member

    Dec 26, 2009
    Albuquerque, NM
    We towed our ~2500# popup with the 5000# tow limit '05 4Runner. We did tow the ~3500# TT with it for a while, but the larger surface area made that not so great. We've realized we really prefer a lower % of tow capacity than many do. (We were at around 50% for a while with the Colorado towing the TT, but we're happier at under 40% with the Silverado for a number of reasons - not driving the truck with issues, for one.)
  10. emoney

    emoney Well-Known Member

    Jul 7, 2018
    I can’t imagine you’d have an issue towing any pop up even with gear. My Viking probably weighs in at 2500lbs ish thanks To a remodel that saw all the cabinets replaced with real plywood (including the dinette). I don’t even know it’s behind my Canyon V6
  11. xvz12

    xvz12 Well-Known Member

    Apr 6, 2017
    New Plymouth, ID
    I have a 2000 Ranger with the 4.0L v6, we pull our ~2000 Coleman Cape Cod, with the TV loaded to the gills, no problem, hills, freeway, whatever. I also have a 1954 Ford 600 tractor I pull around on a flatbed trailer, again, no problems....of course, we don't do a lot of pulling over mountains with that one...lol
  12. jnc

    jnc Welcome from New Hampshire

    I have Towed both my Pup's that weigh 3250 lbs with my 2005 Explorer with a V6/ 5000 lb tow rating. On Highways I could use over drive until I hit the taller hills. I dont remember the gas mileage but know that I could make a 250 mile trip on the one tank of gas. I did enjoy towing with the Explorer the only time we use my F350 to tow a Pup is when I bring the ATV.
  13. Byrd_Huntr

    Byrd_Huntr Well-Known Member

    Jan 27, 2013
    My 2007 Trailblazer has a factory tow package and is rated at 5000#. The Aliner dry weight is 1450 so fully loaded we haul about 2200#.
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  14. jmkay1

    jmkay1 2004 Fleetwood/Coleman Utah

    Oct 10, 2013
    Northern Virginia
    I have a Fleetwood Utah with a gross weight of 3600 but loaded for camping I'm a little over 3000 that I tow with my 4 runner with a limit of 5000. I do a lot of driving in the mountains and I sure wouldn't want anything heavier than my current set up and even then the steepest of hills does take lot out if my SUV . I'm also very thankful I'm not towing a full size trailer behind me as the brick wall would have slowed things down more. Otherwise on flat ground and small hills no problems and hardly any rpm change. Hit the mountains that's when you can really feel it. You can really feel the car working hard.
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  15. Wakita46

    Wakita46 Active Member

    Mar 15, 2013
    I'm assuming you have trailer brakes. If you don't, you should probably think about it.
    I have a 2013 Aliner Scout that is less than 1900 lbs fully loaded (no water tank or propane tanks). My 2015 Toyota Highlander has the 5,000 lb towing package. The Scout has over 28,000 miles on it and I only had one problem. I did not set the brake controller strong enough for my 2016 trip and the car brakes were doing too much of the work over mountain roads in Montana, Idaho, Washington, California, and Nebraska. The brakes wore out. Going down a steep slope from Idaho to the Grand Tetons the brakes starting shuddering and I had to find a place to pull off. All 4 wheels were very hot and the front left was smoking! After it cooled off, I used the steering wheel paddles to use the gears to take most of the load off until I got down. Dropped the trailer off and had to have the front brakes fixed. Don't let this happen to you.
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  16. D2forever

    D2forever New Member

    Aug 11, 2018
    Thank you all. Your real life experience is really helping me. I am so, so, so torn. I have the tow package with the ford explorer v6, class III WDH, transmission cooling, and brake control. What is PERFECT for our family is a 3 tent bed hybrid. There is a 2016 StarCraft Star Traveler 187tb available in our market, used, but extremely light. Not sure why it was traded in, but it doesn't even look like it has been touched. Ford has a GVWR of 9988, payload of 1558, curb weight of 4500-ish. Max tow rating is 5000 and max hitch is 500. Dry weight of trailer is 3615 and the dry weight hitch is 445. Our family weighs slightly less than 500 lbs. So, let's see, that leaves me...1558-445-500 leaves 613 in car (which we would never do), plus I don't know if hitch includes tank yet or not (have to find out). 9988-4500 for car and - 3615 for trailer - 445 for hitch leaves 1428 in GCVW. We recently went to the beach and had about 250 in stuff, let's say we double that and it leaves 928. If I do 80% of my towing capacity (4000) I am there. I also looked at a sofa addition and a bank of shelves we might even be able to remove. I realize I am all over. I plan to talk with the dealership (friends with the owner) to get real life ford experience. I know if we go in the mountains we will be that slow one going up the steep incline. The GVWR is 4475 but I just can't imagine loading 800 lbs of stuff - after all - we have to be sure we are good - so we are 500 of that 800. I should mention I have included the driver in my 500 as I cannot confirm Ford accounted for a 150 driver (that's me :)) ------- am I crazy???? Could we SAFELY do this. I don't care about being about being able to do 80 on I-95. I don't care about being the slow guy in the right lane if we ever decide to go to the mountains. I want to know my family will be safe - we can take a reasonable amount of travel stuff (chocks, leveler, rug, 4 chairs, folding table, lanterns, empty cooler, few pots pans, silverware, plates, cups for 4-8. This would be the only ADDITIONAL stuff over what we already take on a family trip (clothing, toiletries, sheets, towels). So.....1, 2, 3....go ....... if I can find a Jayco 17xfd it is 300 lbs lighter with a lighter hitch weight......
  17. Rusty2192

    Rusty2192 Active Member

    Jul 30, 2014
    Couple of thoughts:

    First, “9988-4500 for car and - 3615 for trailer - 445 for hitch leaves 1428 in GCVW.” no need to include hitch weight in the GCWR calcuLtions. It’s already included in the trailer total weight, so plenty of wiggle room there.

    Second, your biggest issue with the Starcraft you mentioned is the tongue weight. With a dry tongue weight of 445, you will quickly be over your 500 lb hitch max, especially when you add in your WDH. Then anything loaded in front of the axle of the trailer will increase that. Propane and batteries are usually not included in the published dry tongue weight.
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  18. rerspain

    rerspain Active Member

    Jul 26, 2016
    Middlesex, New Jersey

    I tow a shamrock 17 that has a gvwr of 3600.
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  19. D2forever

    D2forever New Member

    Aug 11, 2018
    Yes I’m also worried about that and plan to talk with the rv dealer to understand more. The weight in the brochure doesn’t match the sticker on the camper. So I’m not sure if the sticker on the camper includes those things.
  20. WVhillbilly

    WVhillbilly Well-Known Member

    Jun 6, 2018
    That's because you're supposed to use lower gears to help keep your speed down on long grades, instead of riding the brakes.

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