Discussion in 'Going to the DARK SIDE' started by NorcrossFlyer, Sep 13, 2017.

  1. NorcrossFlyer

    NorcrossFlyer Active Member

    Oct 26, 2015
    North Georgia
    I always kept my pup in the garage and in North Georgia this was always good enough to avoid the cold since it never got colder than 55 in there even if the outside temps were in the 20s.

    But with my TT I am now 100% outdoors so this is suddenly a concern.

    I'm inclined to think I don't have to worry about this. The underside of the TT is coated in spray foam insulation then covered with a plastic-like cover. I'm thinking all I need to do is make sure the lines are drained. I really don't want to winterize because we camp quite often even over the winter months.

  2. smit1088

    smit1088 Well-Known Member

    Mar 15, 2011
    Stillwater, MN
    Since I live in MN life is a bit harder. I tried to just blow out the water system on my pup and made it one year fine. The next, I cracked the handpump. After that I started to use RV antifreeze. In your TT you might have a water heater. If you do a bypass is useful if not installed already and

    I finally installed a winterizing kit. Makes it easy to turn a valve and have the pump suck antifreeze and your done. Best $12 I've spent. After fixing my last mistake I will always use antifreeze. It is only $3 a gallon and you will flush your system in the spring with or without antifreeze in it usually.
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  3. kitphantom

    kitphantom Well-Known Member

    Dec 26, 2009
    Albuquerque, NM
    Our TT lives outside, and our lows can be down into the teens or lower. We do a combination of blowing out the system and antifreeze. To blow it out, we have the connector that attaches to the city water input, and a compressor - they do make them for bike pumps too.
    We by-pass and drain the hot water tank, blow out all the water lines, then use the siphon on the water pump to pull pink into the lines. It takes less than a gallon to get it into the sink faucet, shower faucet, and toilet. I also add a seal conditioner to the toilet. I add more antifreeze to the toilet at some point during the winter, since evaporation makes a gel. (The conditioner makes an interesting color mixed with the antifreeze; I checked to make sure it was OK to use both.)
    It seemed intimidating the first time we winterized, but we went to the seminar our dealer offers every year. They have examples of what happens to a hot water tank and lines when water is left in them.
    We have taken the TT out while winterized. Depending on our destination, we may use the system or not. If we use it, we re-winterize or at least blow it out once home, depending on timing (my first trip this year was southern AZ in Feb, we just blew it out when I got home). If we don't use it, we revert to water jugs and a gray water pail, and gel bags in the toilet.
  4. jmkay1

    jmkay1 2004 Fleetwood/Coleman Utah

    Oct 10, 2013
    Northern Virginia
    When I was looking for my new to me camper I came across so many that have plumbing damage because the lack of winterizing. Now with that said I do not live in the south where tempratures are a bit warmer more often then here. So I think you may be able to get away with draining everything as long as day time tempratures are still above freezing. However if you have any extended freezing temperatures I would at the very least blow out the lines. Just because you winterize the unit doesn't mean you can't go camping. I just bring water in an aquatainer for the trip and use that. Don't know about your graywater tanks and how safe it is, if it was to freeze while camping.
  5. tfischer

    tfischer Well-Known Member

    I installed the same winterizing kit mentioned above. I'm also in MN and temps can and do get down to 20 below zero so there's no "not winterizing" option here. But I just have a single sink so it's not difficult.
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  6. kitphantom

    kitphantom Well-Known Member

    Dec 26, 2009
    Albuquerque, NM
    @jmkay1 We did end up using our gray water tank on the TT on one trip in early spring. We had planned on using the whole water system, but the lows were predicted to be in the 20s; they ended up about 30, but we were glad we'd played it safe.
    Looking at how our plumbing is designed, we decided the gray tank would be OK. If nothing else it has plenty of space for expansion, though the freezing temps would not have been long enough to endanger the tank or drain piping. Our fresh water supply lines run under the camper, and the low points are basically out in mid-air. Those were small enough and well exposed so we didn't use the fresh water system.
  7. NorcrossFlyer

    NorcrossFlyer Active Member

    Oct 26, 2015
    North Georgia

    We might have 5 or so nights over the course of the winter that dip in to the mid to low 20s. Days where the day temps don't climb above 32 usually number less than 5 and don't happen every year.

    January averages:
    High: 52
    Low: 34
  8. tfischer

    tfischer Well-Known Member

    I personally wouldn't take a chance if the weather ever dipped into the 20s even occasionally. Winterizing just isn't that much work, but repairing cracked plumbing is.
  9. NorcrossFlyer

    NorcrossFlyer Active Member

    Oct 26, 2015
    North Georgia
    Got a lot of opinions on this subject. Came to the conclusion that since I'm pretty far South and I plan on using my TT over the winter I'm just going to blow the lines out and drop a little anti-freeze in the p-traps, black and gray tanks.
  10. 3gnaddict

    3gnaddict New Member

    Sep 14, 2017
    SW Montana
    It always seems to be that 1 time... :D A few years ago when I did my 5th, I forgot to drain the tanks after. One of my grey tanks has a long line to the valve (no idea why they did that). Anyway, that water froze (it got to -40 for a while, normal here), and busted that line as it had filled up while I was running the system. I now make sure that after I winterize, that I go dump those tank lines. Moral of the story, plenty of expansion room in the tank, however your lines will fill up first, maybe...
  11. NorcrossFlyer

    NorcrossFlyer Active Member

    Oct 26, 2015
    North Georgia
    Ouch. I have to say that if I lived in Montana I wouldn't have started this thread because I would be 100% certain that I would be pumping anti-freeze through my lines!

    But last winter we had a stretch of weeks where the highs were in the 60s and 70s. I don't think I used my ice scraper for ice (Usually it is just to push the frost out of the way) over the course of the entire winter.
  12. jacrabbitt

    jacrabbitt Active Member

    Mar 27, 2015
    you folks know how to piss on a parade......winter..Yep it's gettin time to do the deed....shame on you..... Well maybe one more outing.
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  13. nhlakes

    nhlakes Well-Known Member

    Oct 15, 2011
    DE and NH
    We used our Aliner several times last winter (heading south from DE) and simply left it winterized other than the sink drain. We use a porta-potty so no issues there, and then just kept a gallon of water on the counter to use at the sink. We did not connect water, use the water tank, faucet, or outside shower so the water system remained winterized. When home we simply just poured a little anti-freeze in the sink drain (until we saw pink drain outside) and it was ready again for the next winter trip.

    Now that I think about, I did the same thing one winter with our Hybrid with full bath/shower, etc. I stayed in it during the winter while working on our vaca home.
  14. roybraddy

    roybraddy Well-Known Member

    Mar 23, 2016
    King George, Virginia
    Living here in Northern Neck VA it doesn't get all of that cold. Always warms up the next day. With all the weather changes now not sure what this winter season is going to do...

    With our simple plumbing setup I have been getting away with just blowing out the water lines and filling my one p-trap with the pink stuff...

    I am able to drain my low water points and if I open the sink hot water spigots when draining I will also drain down my hot water heater enough to not worry about it. Has lots of expansion room in it...

    We have been camping alot through the winter months here so this has worked out great for us.

    Like I said however this winter may be a different story. I moved here in the early 70's and we had one real big freeze week that year and I have not seen this since then. Very seldom see ice in the creek here...

    I am just going to open my two sink spigots and drain everything at the low water drain point and then blow out the two or three water lines with my 12VDC tankless air compressor... Then fill my one P-trap with pink stuff... The beauty of this for me I can hit the road in a heart beat and just add water to the fresh water tank and be back in business again...

    If I had a bigger trailer i would do it differently I reckon...

    Roy Ken
  15. theseus

    theseus Centerville, OH

    Feb 6, 2007
    Centerville, OH
    I used to live in N Georgia. My pup had to live in my yard by my shed, so I did a full winterazation. I never regretted doing it. It's easy enough to blow ou the lines and put antifreeze in the drains. Empty your tanks and you should be good.
  16. ChrisSandstorm

    ChrisSandstorm New Member

    Mar 15, 2017
    I am in Denver. We have had a few freezing days already, I think 4 or so.. Currently I moved our PUP to the garage but I need to winterize, I have a compressor and wonder if I can just blow air thru the system, will that be sufficient?
  17. tfischer

    tfischer Well-Known Member

    The pink stuff is pretty cheap, and pretty cheap insurance.
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  18. silvermickey2002

    silvermickey2002 Morris County, NJ

    Sep 11, 2008
    Morris County, NJ
    I purchased this exact kit 3 years ago. Winterizing the pup now takes me no more than 10 minutes. Keep in mind that we don't have a hot water heater, shower or toilet. Just a simple setup. But having this kit installed inside by the water pump is great! I only use about 1/3 - 1/2 gallon of anti-freeze. Yes, anti-freeze is cheap enough!

    You can blow out your lines, but good luck getting all the water out of the water pump. Using anti-freeze is cheaper insurance!!!!
  19. nhlakes

    nhlakes Well-Known Member

    Oct 15, 2011
    DE and NH
    Yep, installed one on the Aliner. It took maybe half an hour to install and now will take minutes to winterize.

    Last edited: Oct 18, 2017
  20. 4xMeteor

    4xMeteor Active Member

    Jul 30, 2012
    We're new to North GA and to the Dark Side, moved from CA about 2 1/2 years back and got our NTU TT about 8 months back. Bottom of the TT is covered and all the lines run inside the trailer- above the floor. Not sure what we'll be doing this winter, but when we had freezing temps earlier this year, I kept a small electric heater going inside, left the hot water on and set the Thermostat to 50 - didn't have any problems. We keep the trailer at home, so we can keep it plugged in and keep things running. In the future, I will probably look in to winterizing as others do, but for now keeping it warm inside is good.

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