A & E awning puzzle

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  1. bruceam

    bruceam New Member

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    Took delivery of my 2000 Coleman Niagara Tuesday & having a great time getting it ready - will probably try a back yard campout this weekend. It has an A & E Trimline model 944 bag awning & when I opened it today, it had poles and rafters jumping out all over the place. I believe I'm missing brackets that would be mounted to the side of the pup. I can't find a web site for A & E - did they fold? (no pun intended) Does anyone know where I might find set up directions?
    Happy camping, Bruce

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  2. becasunshine

    becasunshine New Member

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    Bruce, we had a 2007 Fleetwood Rio that came with a Fleetwood awning.

    I don't know if that's the same as an A & E awning but I know we had a similar experience the first time we tried deploy ours.

    Our precious little Rio sprang poles and rafters from her roof like Medusa springing serpents from her head.

    We had to go back to the dealership to see an awning all set up before we knew what to do.

    Our awning bag had little canvas loops sewn into the inside. When the awning bag was opened and the awning was unfurled those loops were exposed.

    The three "rafters" were completely separate from the awning frame. They had pegs on one end and rubber feet on the other. The pegs went into reciprocal holes in the awning frame- the long piece of aluminum that bordered the outer edge of the awning.

    The rubber feet of each rafter pole sat inside the canvas loop. We adjusted each rafter pole so that it was just tight enough to stay in place and provide some structure to the awning.

    The legs were attached to the awning frame itself and swung down at a 90' angle to that frame. They extended to the ground.

    If you have this arranged correctly, the holes for the rafter pegs will be on the inside face of the awning frame, opposite and facing the camper and the awning bag. The rafter poles will extend from the awning frame to the side surface of the camper's roof.

    The leg poles will extend down from the underside of the awning frame to the ground.

    There may also be two cords included. These are tied through the awning frame using holes in each end of the frame itself. There are also wooden "handles." Each handle looks like a very short piece of dowel rod, with a hole drilled through either end bisecting the diameter.

    You will install these handles on the other end of each cord.

    Pass the end of the cord through one hole in the handle, then through the other hole at the other end of the same handle. Knot the end of the cord. The cord will loop in and out of each handle, making a letter "D" with the handle as the straight portion and the cord as the loop. You can then use these "handles" like slipknots or stays.

    Stake the cords out from the awning like guide lines. Use the wooden handles to shorten or lengthen the guide lines, depending on your campsite and your needs. The cord that forms the loop of the "D" hooks onto a tent stake which you will drive into the ground. The wooden handle, along with the knotted end of cord, slides up the guide line back toward the awning to shorten the guide line. (I hope that makes sense.) The holes that bisect each end of the wooden handle are drilled on an angle to the handle's horizontal axis. When you slide the handle back up the guide line until the line is taut around the stake, then the wooden handle will "grip" the guide line because of those angles. (Trust us, it works.)

    Fleetwood provided plastic stakes with our awning. Do yourself a huge favor and get regular, inexpensive metal tent stakes from Walmart. So. much. easier. to drive in and remove than the plastic stakes.

    You may or may not know all this information already; if so I apologize for bending your eyes with it.

    Here's a picture of our awning properly deployed:

    <img src="http://inlinethumb48.webshots.com/33583/2363604710061978335S425x425Q85.jpg" border=0>

    You can see the rafter poles extending from the aluminum frame to the camper roof, the leg poles extending to the ground and the guide lines extended. I'm sorry, the wooden handles aren't visible in this picture.

    Maybe somebody else has a picture of those handles in action!

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    Edited by - becasunshine on February 25 2009 21:14:48
     
  3. grcooperjr

    grcooperjr Lunatic

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    Here ya go Bruce

    The awning set up works alot better if you can get the roof low. You can do it with the roof in the up position but it's a pain....


    Start out buy getting the rafters set aside

    <img src="http://buyastrostuff.com/ftp/Rays/camper/P8030206.jpg" border=0>

    Then roll out the awning

    <img src="http://buyastrostuff.com/ftp/Rays/camper/P8030207.jpg" border=0>

    Insert the rafters into the loops and insert the tips in to the frt header. Adjust the rafters out so the awing is tight. Mine is set to the middle hole.

    <img src="http://buyastrostuff.com/ftp/Rays/camper/P8030208.jpg" border=0>

    <img src="http://buyastrostuff.com/ftp/Rays/camper/P8030209.jpg" border=0>

    Once you get the rafters in place,adjust the legs to the hight desired. Then raise the roof.

    It should look something like this when done. Of course your guy lines should be going to the ground instead of back to the trailer. I just did not have a way to stake it in the driveway.

    <img src="http://buyastrostuff.com/ftp/Rays/camper/P8020204.jpg" border=0>

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    Edited by - grcooperjr on February 25 2009 21:57:11
     
  4. becasunshine

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    Yeah, what Ray said! <img src=../Images/icons/icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle alt="Smile">

    Ok, see the wooden handles half way up the lines in the last picture? Those handles will slide up and down the line to lengthen or shorten the guy (guide) lines.

    The looped end that Ray has attached to the sides of the camper- you will have those stretched out in front of the awning. The looped end will go around tent stakes you will have driven into the ground.

    You can see the canvas loops that hold the rubber foot ends of the rafters on the first picture and the third picture.

    Thank you, Ray! A picture is worth a thousand words! <img src=../Images/icons/icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle alt="Smile">

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  5. twstdpear

    twstdpear Party like it's 2012!

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    I have a little tip that I didn't pick up the first time I set my awning up.

    When we set our awning up the first time, I ran them straight out from the camper (to the left, from the point of view in Ray's last picture). It took me a little bit to realize that the reason the door wouldn't close properly was because the lines were pulling on the top via the canopy such that it wasn't straight up any longer, distorting the door.

    When I went back and re-read the instructions that came with my awning, they said that the guy lines should run to the sides of the awning (to you and away from you from the point of view in Ray's last picture). That way, you can pull them fairly snug without pulling on your top via the awning. If you run them out from the PU and pull them snug, you can distort the top, which shows up initially as a problem with the door and may cause other problems.

    Jeff

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  6. bruceam

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    Thanks guys for your input. The A & E is different than your pics. The awning bag doesn't have loops inside the bag on the ends and the awning tensioning rafters that go back to the bag have holes about every 6" with the spring loaded buttom to adjust the length and when I put the rafter up inside the bag it won't tension properly as one position is too loose and the other too tight. Half way up the edges of the awning there are velcro straps that wrap around the rafters. The two vertical support poles don't have crutch tips, but plastic balls that has me thinking that there is some kind of addition fitting missing. The two rafters and support poles are permanately attatched to the awning bar. Any more ideas would be greatly appreciated. Have a great day. Bruce

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    twstdpear Party like it's 2012!

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    From a technical perspective, there's no reason why you couldn't drill some additional adjustment holes in the rafters if you have a little skill and the appropriate tools. Just make sure to use a punch to put a dent where you want the hole, otherwise your drill bit will probably run around your mark.

    IIRC, mine are something like every 1" or 2"

    Jeff

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    Ray...is there a clip on the E3 to attach the guy lines to and I'm just missing it?

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    Awning mystery solved! On line I found a dealer for A & E products who gave me their web site (WWW.DOMETICUSA.COM) as A & E is now owned by Dometic. I got a customer service number, talked to a very helpful lady who immediately E-mailed me the owner's manual for my awning. A picture is worth a thousand words - by comparing the manual to my installation I could see that who ever installed the awning, had the awning bar and 4 arms backwards so when the bag was slid onto the track, the ground poles could only go up to the awning track and the tensioning rafters could only go down to the ground or into the side wall of the pup. I was able to leave the awning attatched to the roof and simply slide the awning out from the rafter, reverse it end for end and slide the awning back on and re-secure. Now the cam lock rafters go up to the track and the button adjust poles go to the ground. I was missing small brackets that need to be screwed in just under the ends of the awning rail to receive the balls on the ends of the rafters and I have ordered those, so with the installation of them, I should have that puzzle behind me. I think I now know why the awning is in such good shape. If the previous owner tried to set it up & discovered the problem, he could have decided -- we don't need an awning anyhow! Thanks for your input. Bruce

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    Good deal! and this was a great thread. You never know when any of us will happen upon the same issue. So many people on this board buy PUPs and other campers from previous owners. It's nice to know that someone out there has researched this awning and has the answers. <img src=../Images/icons/icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle alt="Smile">

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    Re: A & E awning puzzle

    Those anybody know how long ans wide is the fleetwood evolution E3 awning ? I'm in the market for a add a room inclusure but will like to know which size to get.
     
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    Re: A & E awning puzzle

    This should help I recently had to replace mine they are called "ball sockets" I think it was 726# in this pic
    http://www.aaarv.net/944gp11_001.htm

    They are about $5-$7 a pair but Ive seen places trying to sell them singles for same $
     

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