Alleviate wife's concerns

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  1. Ladiesman

    Ladiesman Well-Known Member

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    I watched a couple videos last week of bear spray being used on bears. I have to say I never realized how effective it is. In one a ranger sprayed a momma with cubs who was getting aggressive and she took off immediately.
     
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    totally agree with your last sentence given where you live.
     
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    How did I miss this thread for so long?
    No matter what side of the firearm issue you are on.
    One thing for sure is....Having a firearm as well as ( Being trained and responsible with It)
    Is a big responsibility!
    I do think the Macho Clint Eastwood talk is silly.
    People would be shocked if they truly knew how many people they cross
    paths with out camping and every day were actually carrying.
    A responsible person who carries concealed doesn't advertise it
    and the person next to them never knows they are carrying.
     
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    Fish N Farm Well-Known Member

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    That is correct, If they know you have it becomes a disadvantage to you.
     
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    I just dont like stereo types placed on lawful responsible gun owners.
    If you dont like guns or feel you dont need one thats fine by me.
    There is no need pigeon hole all gun owners together.
    Most people have camped next to or been in line at the grocery store with somebody carrying.
    And i bet they have walked by a hiker on a trail out in the middle of nowhere who was carrying.
    Yes carrying concealed can be a advantage...For one...nobody knows and u can go about your business.
    Second...your not advertising it
    Third...if something were to happen...your not the person that the bad guy sees as a threat to be dealt with first.
    Another poster on here i believe was from wyoming.
    Out there open carry is normal
    And wearing a gun in plain sight is everyday attire...you put your gun on like habit just like grabbing your wallet on the way put the door.
    Anyone who despises firearms and thinks they are a macho statement might not wanna go to places where open carry is a normal everyday practice.
     
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    Fish N Farm Well-Known Member

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    I like the joke where the guy has a sign in his front yard

    NRA member here You Loot We Shoot
    The People next door don't like guns
    Try them first---->
     
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    It's not about stereotyping. I know many responsible gun owners.

    But not all gun owners are responsible. For every responsible gun owner I know, I know another one who is not responsible.

    And yes, I know many Clint Eastwood types who think a gun makes them invincible. That doesn't mean I think ALL gun owners are irresponsible.
     
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    This is the reason I don't move to California from US. Their laws have so many limitations for a responsible person to have a gun. Irresponsible people, they have their own ways to get guns. As a result, California has so many crimes, even they don't count "small" crimes less than $950 as a crime.
     
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    I like guns , have had an FID card since I was 18. I would not feel comfortable in the Boston area if everyone was open carry. I have seen so much road rage and crazy people over the years.
     
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    This is so much a myth. Irresponsible gun owners are not getting their guns illegally. They obtain their guns just like the responsible gun owners - legally.

    As for California not counting crimes under $950 as a crime, that is untrue. The threshhold for grand theft was raised from $400 to $950 with several exceptions. Thefts under $950 are still punishable as petty theft.
     
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    So?

    Not like US, CA government issues most guns to irresponsible people?

    $950 or $400 is not the reason of higher crime rate in CA. What is the reason?
     
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    So lets say you know 20 gun owners...Your telling me 10 of them are irresponsible.
    You did say..."For every responsible gun owner I know, I know another who is not responsible"
    That's a 50/50 ratio...Either you are overstating things to further make a point.
    Or you are hanging out with wrong people.
    Calling people who exercise their right to carry.... Clint Eastwood or Macho is stereotyping.
    What your saying is no different than if I said every other person in California was a tree hugging hippie type.
    It is stereotyping...And no I don't believe every other person in California is BTW.
    Your point may have been takin better if you had said....I get a persons right to protect themselves
    but I have seen a few or know a few that I believe shouldn't have guns.
     
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    Stop the debate both of you are getting way off track.
     
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    Open carry is legal in a lot of places....I don't know about Boston...My guess it is not.
    Having said that...It is legal Nebraska and I can count on one hand the number of people
    I have seen open carrying.
    For one...Even if you are within the law it is a hassle when someone calls the law on a guy with a gun on his hip.
    2...If you have a permit to CC you can go about your business and nobody knows the difference.
    3 Most people prefer CC VS open carry because they don't like to advertise and make themselves a target.
     
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    What's wrong with debate here?...Nobody is getting out line that I see.
    Could you explain the two people getting off track just so we know who you are referring to?
    Everything said here seems to tie in to OP's original post.
     
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  16. Eric Webber

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    Agree. Anyone who uses it responsibly- as a tool or even a hobby - is just fine. And that definitely describes most gun owners, from all walks of life, all ages, all races, all political affiliations, in my experience.

    Hobby shooting at a range is fun.
    Some people love hunting.
    Some like skeet shooting.
    Some carry for wildlife reasons - either defence or even to legally mercy kill animals that are hurt (such as on the roadside)
    Some carry because the weight on their hip makes them feel safer
    Some carry because they live in a situation where it actually does make them safer (generally, a weapon in the house makes the house less safe - but not always)

    And there are dozens if not hundreds of other good reasons that I never considered.

    But, as with anything else, there are also those who do carry because they are small and it makes them feel big. They are scared of the world. They see dangers where there are none. There are the criminals, the violent. And there are the careless, and those with mental problems that make it a bigger danger. The gun fetishists (not the responsible collectors, let's be clear), the "ammosexuls"

    I do not own a gun. I don't need one (right now). They are tools, and I don't happen to want or need that tool. But I also know more about firearm safety than a lot of gun fetishists ever will.

    I'm not an American, so I can't speak to your legal rights to carry. Thats not my place

    As a Canadian, I support responsible ownership. But responsible ownership needs oversight, just like getting a license to drive does. Some things should disqualify some people from being able to legally possess a weapon.

    The majority of crimes involving weapons are guns that were legally owned at one point. Stolen from people who never secured them, sold at garage sales and at expositions, bought by someone who was allowed to have one and then sold or given secretly and privately. We can track stolen cars, we can identify them at chop shops. We can trace all transfers too. Not always, but a lot

    Open carry, concealed carry... that's not the issue for me. The issue is the lack of mental health care available out there, the culture of ownership being tied to "manliness" for some, and the resistance to any decent type of tracking so that the problem can at least be reduced a bit
     
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    You are personalizing my comments. I didn't say that people who choose to carry are Clint Eastwood types. I said that there are those who carry who are Clint Eastwood types and they are a danger to the rest of us.

    And no, I am not overstating. I stand by my numbers.
     
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    I don't know where to start on this one...LOL.
    But man I cant wait to go camping....What about you?
     
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    Define Clint Eastwood types for me?
    So I know what to look for.
    Does he walk around with a colt on his hip and pull it out and twirl
    it on his fingers and re holster it in front of everyone?
    Does he sit at the campground picnic table and clean his guns in front of everyone?
    I am trying to understand....
     
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