Bad omen??????

Discussion in 'Camper Manufacturers & Manuals' started by LI Camper, Mar 12, 2009.

  1. LI Camper

    LI Camper Member

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    I saw this a little while ago. I hope it's not a sign of things to come!

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29625164/

    Cara & Bill
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    hanson1522 Belleville, IL

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    Woah.

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    bud121156 Western North Carolina

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    Remember, the popup division was sold to Blackstreet. This has no effect on the popups.

    Donnie & Cheryl
    North Carolina
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    I hope it does not affect the pop ups...I just bought new for the warrenty

    Tami
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    Donnie is correct, Fleetwood is out of the PopUp business. They sold that devision last year to an investment firm in Baltimore, Blackstreet. So not to worry, not over this announcement anyway.

    Steve
    Camp Director
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    If I'm not mistaken here, Coleman Pop Up Campers (once defunct) are now Back for the 2009 Model Year.

    As I understand it, it's now Coleman (formerly Fleetwood) that manufactures the pop ups.

    Also: Rockwood, Fleetwood, and Palomino are All manufactured by Forest River RV, out of Colon Michigan as of Model Year 2008. So now I suppose the new '09 Colemans are gonna be built by the same folks that built my '08 Palomino.

    I'm not 100% sure on this stuff though. The Global Economy sure confuses me these days.

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    It's all those name changes. The Coleman family founded the Coleman Pop Up line in the mid 60's. The original plant was built Somerset, PA. Fleetwood acquired the line from Coleman in the late 80's and they were smart enough to leave the plant alone and let the same people keep building the same quality trailers. For a number of years the campers had both names on them - Coleman by Fleetwood. Fleetwood eventually dropped the Coleman name. It may have been a feud over the royalty cost of using the name or perhaps their rights to use it simply expired.

    Fleetwood was the first major RV company to begin to acquire a lot of RV companies and names. But somewhere along the line their model failed. Other giants like Forest River and Thor Industries blew past Fleetwood who continued to see their market share erode. Except in pop ups. The folks in Somerset, PA just kept building good campers and the line continued to be the dominant line in folding tent trailers.

    But as much as we love pop ups, they really are a very small segment of the overall industry. So Fleetwood - facing massive debt and a shrinking market found a buyer for the pop up line because they needed cash for the balance of their business.

    The buyer was an investment firm and that has raised it's own concerns. Firms like that don't normally buy for the long term. They think they see an undervalued business that they can sell a short time later for a big gain or the company that they are buying has assets that can be sold for a gain.

    However, the early moves have been promising. They regained the rights to the Coleman name - SMART MOVE and they are still building in Somerset PA. It may be that they believe the best bet is to ride out the poor economy and expect a healthy buyer in the industry may emerge when things rebound.

    It is truly amazing that the same people in the same place continue to put out this product. I believe it's been the key to their success and is still the key to their future.

    Steve & Deb (boys are grown & gone)
    Aspen & Riley (the 4 legged children)
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    Edited by - Luv2ridebikes on March 13 2009 07:15:54
     
  8. LI Camper

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    Kevin(kmh1596) reminded me about the pup division being sold to Blackstreet. My hope is just that this isn't a sign of things to come for the whole RV industry in general due to the economy.
    If people aren't spending money/buying pups then it doesn't matter how high the quality is, it won't help them stay profitable and stay in business.

    Cara & Bill
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    theseus Centerville, OH

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    I think it is a sign for the motorized RV industry, not so much for the pop-up industry. In fact, I think that the pop-up industry will grow as people who want an RV but can't afford to fuel it or own it, move to pups.

    Bruce ______________
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    theseus Centerville, OH

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    I see in the story below that Fleetwood is killing off their travel trailer line. Good thing they got rid of the pup line last year.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29643715/

    Bruce ______________
    2004 Expedition & 2000 Palomino Mustang SL-SG-FT
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    Thanks Steve. Interesting info (not that I Entirely understand all of it) Makes me wonder though, Who now owns Palomino?

    Should seem to me that the Palomino Brand that I once knew is NOT the same as the one founded in 1968, right? To further confuse this situation, my Palomino/Forest River RV was built in Michigan.<hr> To heck with this news maybe.

    I'd rather be Camping!

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  12. theseus

    theseus Centerville, OH

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    Palomino is a wholly owned subsidiary of Forest River. They manufacture their own stuff but share parts with the other Forest River lines. At least that is how I understand it.

    Bruce ______________
    2004 Expedition & 2000 Palomino Mustang SL-SG-FT
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