Cougar stalks hiker for 6 minutes

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  1. firepit

    firepit Well-Known Member

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    When we encroach on there territory it happens...It's not fair to them....but when it comes to them or you...
    you gotta do what you gotta do.
     
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    firepit Well-Known Member

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    Never go hiking with a raw steak tied to your ankle!!!
     
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  3. Aladin Sane

    Aladin Sane I'd rather be camping

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    I wasnt counting on the cougar to have the cognitive ability to understand a shot across her bow, I was just counting on the loud noise and possible spray of gravel to provide sufficient attitude adjustment to turn her interest away from pursuing me any further.
     
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    I have had friends who worked with big cats and I have experienced being stalked by an African lioness (fortunately, in a wild cat sanctuary with the owner right with me and he told me exactly what to do - which was very common sensical: stand tall, don't turn away, step back until the cat loses interest), so I actually do have some knowledge on the subject.

    As for this guy, his first mistake was hiking alone. Most critters will move away when they hear people approaching. Best way to do that is to talk to each other. He was solo and likely quiet. His next mistake was to not immediately back off as soon as he saw the cubs. He didn't, per his comments, UNTIL he saw the momma cat. That was too late. See babies - leave!!!

    At that point, he was rightfully scared and I can forgive his behaviors to that. But his behaviors did not help. Those times she fake attacked he was trying to bend over to pick up a rock. As long as he walked back, she just followed him, when he stopped, she fake attacked. She didn't "pursue" him, she "pushed him away" from her cubs. She didn't attack - she fake attacked. She didn't stalk, she followed. All that showed that she was not interested in a fight - she simply wanted him to leave. In that case, you are safe as long as you keep leaving.

    In the article, he said he waited 30 minutes on the trail after she left. It was a 7 mile hike back the way he came and much less if he went back towards the cat. He had several hikers come from the direction of the cat and they never saw her or the cubs. Sure he could have carried a gun and shot her - it would have resulted in her death as well as the death of her cubs. Reality, there was no harm done. He learned respect and hopefully he will never hesitate to move away if he sees baby wild animals again. She protected her cubs without having to fight.

    Voice has a lot of effect on animals. If you don't want to startle an animal, you use a soft steady tone and keep up a monologue. Switching back and forth from growling and talking confuses animals and can cause them to attack.
     
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    Thats 100% correct especially for mountain lions. I've never heard of a lion attacking anybody that wasn't alone. I'm sure it has happened, but very unlikely...and she was definitely escorting him away from her little ones, not attacking.
     
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  6. tfischer

    tfischer A bad day camping beats a good day at the office

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    He was "filming" before any of this happened. He probably films his runs.

    Shooting the cougar would have been unfortunate in this situation. Obviously if it was a life or death situation... but in this case he's still alive, the cougar is still alive, and the baby cougars have a mother and a chance to survive.
     
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    Toedtoes Well-Known Member

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    Or maybe he didn't turn on the camera until he saw the cubs and thought "cool photo op" and just clipped that part out. No way to know why the camera was on, but I do think his holding the camera in front of him like that minimized his size to be less threatening.

    I do agree there was no need to shoot the cougar. She never attacked. Her behavior was defensive not aggressive. I'm so glad she survived and her cubs still have her so they can survive. They are beautiful creatures.
     
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    Its obvious why he had the camera out, he saw a baby cub and aproched it slowly wipped out his camera and started filming because he thought it was cute. Same as all the other who think they can pet wildlife. Look at the forst 15 seconds. He tried not to startle it going real slow, untill mom came ripping around the corner. He , saw and approched. No questions on that one.
     
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    That's a likely scenario.
     
  10. tfischer

    tfischer A bad day camping beats a good day at the office

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    I'm still going to give the guy the benefit of the doubt. I wonder how many people's first reaction when seeing cute baby cubs in the distance would be "get the hell out of here"? Sure, sitting on your couch, you might think you'd do that, but...
     
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    There is nothing more I would love than to get photos of cougar cubs. I freely admit, the mere thought gets me wanting to have the opportunity. But at the same time I think that, I KNOW it's a crazy dangerous thing to do and no matter how much I want to, I would walk away immediately. I have no false belief that I am invincible and that nothing will happen to me - so I do not take chances. Especially when it could mean someone or something losing its life due to my actions.
     
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    Yep. And that is stupid. If there is a baby, there is an adult. He didn't get a shot and turn back, he kept coming at the cub until the mom came running. I'm glad he got the sh#t scared out of him. With any luck he'll learn from it. Unfortunately, folks see this video and read comments about the cougar stalking him and attacking him (mentioned in the article I read) and never learn that HE caused the problem. That the cougar behaved with great restraint and just scared him away from her cub without stalking or attacking.
     
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    The cougar followed him for way too long. I would send someone out to terminate the cougar. Sounds like that is a busy hiking trail.
     
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    Nope. Time you step out your house door, you are no longer on top of the food chain. You are in the natural world then, where nature rules. Nature will be here long after we are gone.

    The Scout motto "Be Prepared" applies. He chose not to carry the extra 3 or 4 pounds to defend himself, but he had his phone. "Leave No Trace" applies, also.
     
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    I bet he left a trace in his pants.
     
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    This reminds me of once in college i came across some cute cougar babies when i was also alone. The cougar mom locked eyes on me and followed me all the way out of the mall. It was scary. I even three a cinnabun at the cougar.
     
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    The cougar should not be killed for HIS stupidity. Per his own comments (mentioned in articles), no one else on the trail saw her or the cubs. She was walking them across the trail and HE chose to threaten her cub. She did what any good mother would do - she led him away from her cub. Then she got her cub and left the area. She never tried to attack him or hurt him.
     
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    Maybe I am seeing a different video. The cougars were not boxed in. The guy never got closer than 50 feet. That cougar was trying to attack and harm the runner. Every time he took his eyes off of the cougar it lunged at him. The cougar followed for way to long. If that guy tripped while walking backwards it would of been bad. Seems like the cougar doesn't have a healthy fear of humans. Not sure how remote the area is. He only had to wait 1/2 hr for another group to jog by.
     
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    I think if the mountain lion wanted to attack him, she would have, instead of charging him and stopping, she would have just charged and pounced.

    In watching the video, I thought it was fascinating what the mountain lion was doing with its paws when it was charging, almost like slapping the ground sideways. It was so interesting to see, I never knew they did anything like that.
     
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    Maybe you were watching a different video. The charging with paws spread out is chasing away behavior.
     
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