Do you ever feel like a 2nd class citizen in a PUP?

Discussion in 'Campground Etiquette' started by Neecie, Jun 6, 2012.

  1. Sjm9911

    Sjm9911 Well-Known Member

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    Ok i dont think i comented on this one. I never felt aecond class but did get some people who thought i was. So , when i had the pup , i got the last full hook up spot in a camper resort. I got funny looks from the neighbors who had giant RVs. One set of people came up to me and was surpised on how big the pup was but they said i should leave the full hook ups for the rigs that have bathrooms. I had to explaine that i had a toilet and a shower, lol. They were pretty surprised at that. And no matter what class i was, i was still next to the giant 300k rvs, lol. Only other time was when my daughter asked if we were poor. I said no why did you ask that. She said everyone else had real nice campers and we had a tent. Lol. She did learn the pup was pretty cool and i since upgraded to a TT. The upgrade was for us both. The little bit of extra storage, and ease of no canvas helped me. And no bugs helped her. So even if pups are second class, you all good in my book!
     
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    tenttrailer Art & Joyce - Columbus, O

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    Very cool on the old tent camper. I'm sure many people will stop to say hi
     
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    I'm 40 and have been camping in a PUP since I could walk. In all my years playing with kids and now socializing with other adults, I have never heard or got the impression that I'm looked at as 2nd class. I'm a working class fella and of course I COULD go out and finance a TT, but I choose not to. My wife and kids love our PUP. We save the money that we could have spent on a nice TT and go on a really nice vacation every year. Although, that backfired a bit and now my wife is addicted to cruises LOL!!! We actually joined membership at an RV resort last year and have had nothing but great and positive experiences with campers of big and small TTs.
     
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    I always had plenty of people stop and ask about my 66 Apache Raven when I had it. They were even more impressed with how small it folded down when leaving.
     
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    RV's, and even larger PUP's cant get into where I typically camp.. so no looking down their nose at me. Actually i'm in upper class of snob as most my friends are tenters. ;)

    #JeepLife.. :)
     
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    My GF recently got an XC90 and we were both VERY surprised to find out it's rated for 6,000 lbs towing capacity. When pulling the PUP, I barely fell any extra drag during acceleration.
     
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    It’s a very good tow vehicle for anything under 6000lbs. I bet it would be fine for double that
     
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    I had a customer that pulled a 2 place horse trailer with an Xc90, they had a fairly steep driveway. Probably the steepest grade I’ve seen in Michigan and it pulled it up there no problem.
     
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    Heck no. I would bet people in their $150k RV wished they got a smaller one and saved the money to buy a boat like mine. [;)]
     
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    The only time someone tried to treat me like a second class citizen was when I joined Boondockers Welcome. No big deal. Once I figured out that scene was not for me I walked away and didn't look back. Don't really care if big rig RVers look down their noses at my and my popup. I'm having a great time and that's all that matters.
     
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    I kind of thrive on it actually.

    I have lots of "one of these things is not like the others" pictures with my old Ranger and ground tent nestled among a bunch of huge fifth wheels/RV's worth more than my house. Nobody has ever said anything or treated me differently but "us vs them" is so black and white I find it amusing.

    Now that I have a period correct slide in pop-up for my Ranger... same story but now I have an indoor power outlet, sink and stove. [8D]
     
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    I'm sure I've posted on here before, but have to comment again.
    I was raised that a person with class doesn't make other people feel bad.
    Another thing I was taught was class has NOTHING to do with money or what you own.
    That being said, I don't care what anyone thinks about me and mine. If they have the audacity to say something completely lacking in good manners, then I just stare at them. Something I learned when I was teaching. Works wonders.
     
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    I was getting ready to say the same thing! I'm in the position in my life where I enjoy when people think theyre better than me. Its very humbling.
     
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    I'm sure I posted before also. I was taught as you, but I was also taught - if you think that everyone is thinking "x" about you, then it may because YOU think "x" about yourself.

    I towed an 83 shasta trailer with the currogated aluminum siding. It had tons of bondo on the corners from a prior owner's repair job. I never felt that other campers were looking down at me.

    I drive a 1975 motorhome. While it's fiberglass and looks older, it is in great shape (usually). I have never felt that other campers were looking down at me.

    I tow a hardsided popup. I have never felt that other campers were looking down at me.

    Maybe it's because I am happy with my choices.
     
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    Yeap, I am waiting for this moment when my kids will ask me if we are poor and can't afford a RV.
    Not sure what I will tell them... We can't afford? true. We are poor? I don't think so...
    I would like a RV? yes, a hard wall camper, anything will be better than a pop up. Why better? I live in Calgary, our season is short here. I would say, more often I camp with no shore power, the nights are cold, the furnace is noisy. I think a hard wall will improve the nights comfort. The trade off is that you don't camp anymore, but you are "rving". I like when I open the windows in my popup, are large and can see outside.
    Now, on the other side and this is one of my old grunges, I think the people lost their touch with the reality. You see these campers, all sizes up to motorhomes with leather couches,solid wood kitchen furniture with microwave, oven and range, and freezer and fridge with all the bells, only a hot tub is missing from the picture. That's not camping. Wth... we don't need to carry the whole house with us in the woods. And to what use? To be able to get only to a small pad, manicured lawn and a deck and pay $100.00+ per night? That's not camping.... You pay a **** load of money to get the rig and maintenance and such to spend your time in a parking lot? I will not say we need to stay in tents and a sink is a blasphemy, but we need to be realistic. It wasn't like that and it should not be like that... Camping is about your inner happiness and not about the size of your...mmm... hitch.
     
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    Why do you THINK your kids would even ask that?

    As for folks in big rigs not "camping", it's what they want and enjoy. Why should they have to conform to your definition.

    Many people in big rigs are full-timing. They aren't camping, they are living their lives. Others are sightseeing - they aren't communing with nature, they are going to museums and wineries and casinos and spending time with families. Maybe some of that takes them to a campground. Maybe they want to see the Grand Canyon or Yellowstone while sleeping in their own bed and not giving up creature comforts.

    Why must people knock others in order to be happy with what they have?

    My aunt just bought a brand new huge trailer. They are buying recliners for it. They goes camping with their adult kids, grandkids and great grandkid - She and her husband are in their 80s. She is out of state visiting her older brother - using her trailer as a cottage on his property. Should I condemn her for not "camping" appropriately just because I do it differently? Or should I be happy to see her enjoying her trailer as she sees fit?

    This post is about people in big rigs looking down at popup owners - but some of these posts are just as bad.
     
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    Why do I "THINK"? Because they are at that age when they start comparing what do they have and what others have. I got already my share from them of "I like X house" which is off course 3 times bigger or comparison about the lunch box content especially now during the pandemic when I have to pack them lunch and 2 snacks. For that reason I think it is just a matter of time.


    Regarding the big rigs with all the trimmings and stuff, if they are doing full time and not camping... who knows, maybe a mobile park? or rv resort? And really, all of these big rigs are doing full time?

    Yes, is the envy talking here, I can't rip it apart, there is there a little thing, I know.


    The issue here is bigger than 2nd class citizens or big rigs vs popup. It is about the world we are living in, but this is just another can of worms.


    My bad getting involved in this discussion. Yes, for camping we need quarter million busses, king size beds with 18” high mattress and a five piece bathroom. If you have less than that, don’t worry, no one will look down to you, it’s all good, we are here for fun.
     
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    With the kids, they may not be how you are taking their comments - they may not mean it as a dig at you for "not having as much money as others". It may just be that they are learning what they like and how it differs from your tastes.

    No problem joining the conversation, but it's not about what you "need" to camp, but want you want to camp. If it was about need, we'd all be sleeping on the ground with a single pot that is used to cook, eat and drink, and a few matches.

    There is absolutely nothing wrong camping in a popup. At the same time, there is absolutely nothing wrong camping in a quarter million dollar bus. Be happy that you are able to get out there and enjoy the way you get out there.

    If others look down at you, that is their failing. If you look down at others, then that is your failing.
     
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    What is ignored in this is the social pressure that is involved. The kids are not learning what is their taste, but they are absorbing, imitating, comparing. And the social pressure is playing a huge role in this and the driving factors are multiple. From egos (yes, I have seen so many "competitions") till the multi-billion industry.
    It is created, invented a certain level of expectations, barriers that you need to reach. Don't tell me you don't know what I am talking about. In this way, over decades, what use to be not necessary a cheap entertainment, but at least affordable is now at a such up-scale level that makes me use a term that I found very often used today "cultural appropriation".
    I am not against comfort and people's right to decide what's good for themselves, but we are going to some sort of ridiculous camping frontiers....
     
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    Yes, there is a social pressure to outdo the next guy. But is there any difference between the person who looks down on someone with less and the person who condemns someone with more?

    The best way to fight the social pressure is to keep from doing it yourself. As long as you condemn those who do things differently, the more you reinforce that what other people think and do is the important part.
     

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