Dreaded ABS Roof

Discussion in 'Roof/Floor Repair & Maintenance' started by skyhawk, Dec 1, 2008.

  1. skyhawk

    skyhawk New Member

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    I have a 2001 Coleman Utah with an ABS roof. It has been fine with no sagging, but to day, I noticed one of the sides seems to be pushed out a 1/8 to 1/4 in or so. The seal is still riding on the box, but just by a hair. Is this roof beginning to fail? or maybe it is something I have failed to notice!
     
  2. Luv2ridebikes

    Luv2ridebikes New Member

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    We had a Cheyenne with an ABS roof. It had a little bit of that bowing in it's sides, But it did not seem to advance and we had an A/C on top. Keep an eye on it. You might also carefully inspect the top inside and out for any signs of cracking or separation. Remember - the majority of the roofs have held up fine. You may suffer a little settling, but if the roof doesn't delaminate, it shouldn't fail.

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    pianewman Ft. Worth, TX

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    Welcome to the Portal, skyhawk.
    Ditto to Luv2ridebikes' comments. I've noticed, on the door side, that the roof is right on the edge of the box, but the roof arch is still quite pronounced (w/ A/C). If anything, it appears that the roof has shifted ever so slightly to the door side of the pup. I've got a Yakima bike rack waiting to be installed, so I'm a little nervous of the added weight, but will make the mod sometime this winter.
    I've successfully strapped my Portabote (90lbs.) to the roof, and again, no sign of deflection on the roof.
    I wish there were a source to learn definitively how many roofs have failed. I know I've seen several while traveling, but as stated above, the majority of roofs have been fine. I think it's a great design, zero maintenance, and nice to look at, as well.

    pianewman
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  4. bwilly

    bwilly Always An Adventure

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    Welcome to the forum, we have a coleman cheyenne and ours bows a little also, we have air conditioner on top, it has been the same for years, I think it is very common with the ABS roofs to have a little bow, I beleive that once the roof sags a bit on top it pressures the sides outword, the more sag ontop the more outword bow on the sides, just my opinion, if none is present you are one of the lucky ones, as everyone else says just keep an eye on it but I think you will be fine unless you start seeing severe bowing or delamination or other major problems, another tell tale sign is you will start having a problen opening your door,step when your top is down.

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    JoeCamper Eastern, Pennsylvania

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    I have a 2000 Westlake and (knock on wood) haven't had this problem yet but I'm adding a bike and kayak rack over the winter. Do you have a 1 1/2" support tube across the ceiling to strengthen the roof?

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    I have the brace across ceiling and have an AC unit. I fail to see any sag in the roof. It seems there is a little bowing on one side. It still seals and have no leaks.
     
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    Can someone recommend where I could get the brace that skyhawk just mentioned? I believe they come in a pair.

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  8. theseus

    theseus Centerville, OH

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    Any Coleman dealer will have them. I believe that they are about $100. However the Coleman/Fleetwood braces are the best I have seen. I have a pair inside my Palomino, because they are superior, nice heavy steel.

    Peco Campers ought to be able to get them for you. They are in Tucker though.

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    no worries about Tucker; it would be so worth it to solve this problem!!

    many thx

    96 Coleman Bayport
    Pulled by 2000 Toyota Sienna
     
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    OK, everybody:

    I just spoke with nicest guy, Julian, the service manager at PECO Campers (big plug for them, this guy was so very helpful).

    He said that using braces after the roof falls is not particularly useful, but that replacing the a/c gasket would prevent leaks for years. Other posts have said the same thing. Here are the steps. Thanks again, Julian:


    pop the camper up
    drop the ceiling package
    take out the four bolts
    don't tear the air duct
    put out the beds with supports and lower the roof on top of the mattresses; there will be about a foot of overlap.
    on roof, flip a/c over on its top (it weighs about 105 lbs)
    remove the 14 by 16" gasket
    clean any adhesive off that's left behind
    install new gasket (about 30 bucks at Peco Campers)
    clean the roof really well; use denatured alcohol to clean off the soap, too.
    use clear silicone to adhere
    let a/c back on roof
    pop up the camper again, within 10 minutes, as you don't want the silicone to begin to glaze over
    reinstall with the four bolts

    96 Coleman Bayport
    Pulled by 2000 Toyota Sienna
     
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    theseus Centerville, OH

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    I have always found the guys at Peco to be extremely helpful.

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    I have posted here a few times about my roof. My story is a bit more dramatic than just keeping an eye on it. I have a 200 Utah, and in the course of a year, it's gone from one itty bitty crack to both sides bowing out past the seal and more cracks than I can keep up with! My only option is replacement.....$2700 is the lowest estimate. The good news is the dealer near me has a 12' box with a small stress crack that he is replacing under warranty on another camper. He is going to try to use it on my camper, if the swap-out works, I'll pay less than $500 for the labor. I'll post after the swap out with the results of success. I wish you all the best with this, but from my perspective, don't count on it not going bad in a hurry!

    2000 Coleman Utah
    2006 Town & Country
    Me, the Wife, our daughter and 2 dogs
     

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