Gut check on Ram 1500 TV

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  1. anothersmith

    anothersmith Member

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    I am planning to upgrade my TV now, we plan to upgrade the popup to a Rockwood Roo in the next yr/2 so want to consider future towing.

    I have my eye on a 2014 Ram 1500 V6 with 3.55Axle ratio. Their tow chart shows 7200lb towing capacity.

    The Roo I'm eyeing is something like the 2018 21SS. Shows the dry weight as 4320lb + 1000lb of stuff etc gets me to 5320. Taking 80% of my 7200lb towing capacity = 5760 makes me think I'm pretty safe with this Ram1500 as the next car/ TV.

    My math look about right?

    https://www.rvtrader.com/listing/2018-Forest-River-Rockwood-Roo-21SS-5014950329
     
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    eoleson1 Well-Known Member

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    I pull a 5000 lb TT with a 2020 Durango that has a towing capacity of 6200. The Durango has the same V6 that the Ram has, but a 3.27 gear ratio with an 8 speed transmission. It works just fine towing. I might hesitate to take it over the Rockies, but other than that, it's more than capable. With the 3.55 in the truck it should do fine.
     
  3. Snow

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    Skip tyhe V6.. get the Hemi.. if possible get the factory tow package with 3.92's (you won't need to use the tow/haul button at all for a HTT).

    Only a 1000lb payload on that v6..??? when you add in passengers, stuff in the box plus the tongue weight you might be pushing ..

    I have a 2012 Ram 1500, V8, 3.55 dealer tow prep package (Dodge has 3 different packages, so chose the right one) has a tow rating of about 8800lbs (I'd have to look it up again but its in that neghborhood ) and my TT GVWR is 5500lbs.. My backup tow vehicle is a 2008 Ram 1500 V8, 3.92 with a factory tow package and has a tow rating of 10500lbs (I actually think it is closer to 11500lbs) .. It can to my 5500lb trailer with little to no issues..
     
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    Just to note. A TT will pull diffrently and get worse millage, along with the fact that you will not accelerate or stop as fast as you did with the pup. If you stick in the weight range you have listed it should be fine, but not tow real fast. 60 , 65 probably will be good. And if you decide to go bigger you would be out of luck. So , maybe spend a bit more now for a cushion if you dont kow what you will get?
     
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    Thanks Snow. I have to find a bit of fuel economy balance for this as my daily driver. Going to the v8 with the 3.92 is going to kill my MPG. Tow chart shows payload of 1680 for the V6 4x4. When i'm towing I am not as concerned about MPG though.
    www.ramtruck.ca/en_dir/pdf/towing_1500.pdf
     
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    xxxapache Well-Known Member

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    That chart shows the maximum payload the truck can have. To get max, you generally have to get a stripped down model. A truck with a lot of options will have less payload. The only sure fire way to know the payload on a vehicle is to look at the sticker in the door.
     
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    Payload will definitely be the limiting factor. Note you'll have to have extra options to get to that highest payload listed.
     
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    I have a 2015 RAM 1500 with the HEMI. I highly suggest sticking with the V8 rather than the V6 for towing the Roo. IMHO, the thoughts of "just enough" should be abandoned for thoughts of "more than enough". I have owned vehicles that are "just enough" to haul a trailer. It's not fun and it is never comfortable.

    Another consideration is the sag on a RAM. With a 480lb hitch weight of an UNLOADED Roo, a RAM 1500 will sag, sag, sag. Those of us that own RAMs know this well. RAMs have coils springs, not leaf springs. Perfect for a great ride, lousy for a heavy haul. You can counteract sag with aftermarket extended bump stops or invest in air bags.

    My pup has a hitch weight of around 250 and it causes plenty of sag. Hitch weight of a LOADED Roo will be around 500+ pounds. MAJOR sag will be the result unless you modify the truck.
     
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    What is the Axle ratio you are thinking with the HEMI? As i see it with the 3.21 I don't gain a whole lot in additional towing capacity or payload. HEMI towing with 3.21 = 7950lb vs 7200. 750lb is nothing to ignore for sure, but it doesn't seem like a game changer. Going up to the 3.92 on the HEMI would take me up to 10,000lb towing, clear advantage there.... Curious to hear your thoughts.

    Sag seems like it is going to be an issue no matter which RAM, so that levels the playing field. I am open to airbags, there is a shop near me that will do them and it would allow me to adjust the truck ride based on the use case at the time ie towing, daily drive. I am open to that.

    Trying not to do Just Enough, but also trying to balance budget, MPG, availability etc. Basically looking for the perfectly balanced truck....... like everyone :)
     
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    Get the lowest gear (higher number) ratio you can. Gas mileage difference will probably be negligible. Lower gears gets you rolling easier. Newer vehicles have 1 or more overdrive gears to improve mileage.

    My buddy and I both have gas F350s. He has 3.73 gears. I have 4.30s. My truck is a few hundred pounds heavier than his. Mixed use driving, I get 1+ mpg better than him.
     
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    More towing capacity doesn't appear to increase your payload.
     
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    The bigger engien will help with inclines and speeding up when entering hyways. One of the resons i went to a 2500 for my TT. My 2012 could tow it fine, but it had no pick up to pass or change lanes. Plus it would get tossed around by the big rigs as towing over 65 was squirrely. One long trip and i was done.
     
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    My only experience is with the 3.92 and I love it, so I can not speak to any other transmissions. It took a little getting used to the three shifts before you hit 25mph, but for towing, it is fantastic.

    My RAM was a year old when I bought it and was really wary of the price, but I have had no regrets spending the extra money on a HEMI rather than a V-6.

    The sag is the only drag and yes, it will be there no matter which 1500 you get. I still have not pulled the trigger on air bags, but I will if and when I upgrade from the pup. I did not want to scare you away from a RAM, I just wanted you to have no surprises.
     
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    The 392s with the 6 or 8 speed tranny should be fairly good on gas.. here is my comparison of the 2 rams I have driven daily..

    My 1 way trip to work is about 366 kms .. with my 2012 ram with 355s, 6 speed auto, I consistently use 1/2 tank of gas with the cruise set at 116 kph .. doing the same drive with the other ram , 2008 with 392s and a 4 speed auto , cruise set at the same 116 kph, It uses 5/8 of the tank (,just over 1/2 a tank..) ... Pretty much same truck.. both hemis, both gave the mds system.. big difference is the transmission.. My truck also has BFG KO2 tires where the 2008 truck has the factory Goodyears.(both 17 inch rims).

    So yes on older Rams the 392s use more gas daily driving, but with an newer 8 speed 392 should get much better..
     
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    Do they both have the same rear diff ratio?
     
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    One has 355's and a 6 speed auto, the other has 392's and a 4 speed auto..
     
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    Aladin Sane I'd rather be camping

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    We have a 2018 1500 with 3.21s and the hemi. It easily tows our 3500 lb pup or our 5000 lb boat, but we did add air bags to overcome rear end sag.
     
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    Gotcha--wasn't sure if those numbers were the diff or maybe tranny codes. I wonder final drive ratios of the two different trannys are. On my Suburbans, one 4-speed and one 6-speed, the final drives are basically the same. The 6-speed just has more steps to get there, which is actually annoying because it's always hunting. Gas mileage was the same in both trucks (both 5.3 motors), even with the cylinder shutoff on the (newer) 6-speed.
     
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    great thanks! Starting to lean towards the Hemi to save a future change should we want a bit more trailer down the road.
    What kind of MPG you get for daily driving with the Hemi?
     
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    Aladin Sane I'd rather be camping

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    It all depends on your cruising speed. Keep it below 60 and I can get 20mpg. Run 70-75 and drop to 17. Pull the pup and drop to 16. Pull the boat and drop to 14.
     
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