I am new to pop camping and have been looking for a used one but several sellers do not want to open the trailer due to the cold cracking the windows. Is this BS because the inside is bad? I am assuming that it is not wise to buy anything without going inside
i am not sure but i wouldn't buy anything w/o seeing it , i guess one way to tell is if you go to a rv place and see if they have any open outside or will open any for you , im sure some people camp in clod weather , its a good question , i opened mine a few weeks ago to repair my sink and check my electric , nothing happened to my windows ect , but it was probally about 30-38 out
Jay & Lisa
00 dodge dakota
97 coleman laredo
(4) 4 legged children (non camping)
Luna, Lady, Alley & Azalea
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Sounds like BS to me too. I need to open mine to take some pictures inside so I can sell it. It's not too cold to open it for any reason other then it is too cold for ME! <img src=../Images/icons/icon_smile_lol.gif border=0 align=middle alt="Laugh Out Loud">
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I don't know if it is necessarily BS. I think some people are just under the impression you can't open it up if the temp is under a certain degree. But I would wait to buy also if you can't see the inside.
I will chime in that I don't think its BS. We went to Myrtle Beach for New Years - the first couple days were great and the temps were in the mid-60's with sun. On the morning we packed up, it was around 30 with a 25-30 headwind. As I was folding up, the vinylized fabric my Palomino has for bunkends was stiff as a board and in a few spots literally 'cracked' the surface as I put her down. I really didn't have a choice in the matter and was planning on deep cleaning and resealing the bunkends, so hopefully I won't have issues.
Now, would I buy one without seeing it popped? Not unless it was a great deal and/or I knew the seller.
Wife & 3 Kids
6 Stay-At-Home Pets
'88 Palomino TXL hardsider
'93 Ford E-350 Van
I am curious about anybody attempting to sell their camper, but won't open it. If they are afraid they might damage it, then they should wait until it's warmer to advertise it.
I've posted this before. It's from a member at GLPUC who has pictures of winter camping with snow around his popup -
<font color=red>With some of the discussion over when to pop up or down in the winter, I contacted Fleetwood today and spoke with a tech in manufacturing. The tech advsed that the plastic windows on the current Fleetwoods have been tested to work without failure down to negative 15 degreees.... Not sure that I would want to camp at that temp, but at least I know I should be OK when we set up/break down in the teens.... For whatever it is worth, The tech I spoke to told me that he was the one in charge of this testing and knows first hand that the info he gave me is true....</font id=red>
The dealer we purchased our pop up at has opened Fleetwoods in the snow for customers. He has been selling the brand for years and has a great reputation. I would think he knows what he is doing.
Steve& Deb (the boys are grown & gone)
Aspen & Riley (the 4 legged children)
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Popups.....when sleeping on the ground gets to you
Mar 13, 2007
Never take unneccessary chances, wait until it warms up a bit, then buy, look, sell, do mods...its just not worth taking the chance. Plastic windows WILL crack when it gets really cold, below 30. I would not do anything to a pup until its at a minimum of 40 degrees outside and the pup has warmed up a bit. Replacing canvas with windows is not cheap.
My Jeep Wrangler had HD plastic windows and when it got cold, they were so stiff I was afraid to put the top down until it warmed up a bit.
Thanks everyone. I suspect the older the camper the more brittle the windows might be in cold weather this was a 97. The guy selling the camper won't get my business anyway due to the email response he sent back when I asked what the blue book price was and how I was supposed to know the condition of the inside was.
I think the main concern is of course the set up and take down in the cold weather. I know no matter what the temp is on some of the older pups I've seen the plastic is already a bit brittle and could imagine a problem when it got very cold. I have camped with the temps down to 15-20 degrees with no problem but again we set up and put down during the day when the temps were around 30 degrees. I wouldn't be worried about the canvas at all way down to a temp far colder than I would ever want to be out in anyway. I have been on some winter scout camps where the temps had dropped to -3 during the night and the spring bar canvas tents we were in were fine.
Don & Alice
1993 Coleman Williamsburg
Camping in and around Utah
Nights camping in 2007: 20
1993 Coleman Willaimsburg
2003 Chevrolet Tahoe LT
and a fish
The big variable here is the age of the material and the conditions it has been subjected to. Vinyl has volatile plasticizers in its matrix, which gas off over time (ie: that hard to remove film on the inside your windshield... deposited plasticizers from the interior materials), so to simply say it is OK, just do it, is to throw the dice, especially with older PUPs. I am not comfy opening mine much below 40 degrees, especially if it has been cold soaked for a while.
Your mileage may vary.
Dave & Rose
2 grown DD(+1 SIL & GD)
2 Corgis(Da'Bear,11 & Maggie,1)
2001 Dodge Durango 5.9L
1997 Jayco 1406
Don't need a nightlight, 'cause I glow in the dark!
The older the plastic is the more likely it would crack.
I've seen certain types of plastic crack like thin sheets of ice in -40F in Minnesota. At -40F, its really cold. If you spit it can turn to ice in the air. -40F is also painful. Brings back memories thinking of it. So there is a point where it is definitely dangerous to pop up the popup.
Since it's hard to know when its safe, manuals don't recommend it at any cold temp or age.
I would suggest the sellers put it in a garage and heat the garage with a Mr Buddy heater or similar garage space heater. Then pop it up. Or wait till warmer weather.
I will tell you that cracking windows can happen in newer PUPs too. Mine is a 2006 Fleetwood Bayside, and we did open the PUP on a cold day. Sure enough, the canvas and windows were brittle and I could hear cracking as we lowered the top. When I opened it back up, all of the windows were shredded like Wolverine had has his way with them! Very disappointing! I am going to check with my insurance to see if it is a covered loss. Also, I have read that you do not want to use Windex or any window cleaner on the eisenglass, but instead use a special cleaner for eisenglass. I bought my PUP used so have no idea what the history is. I will surely be more careful after I replace the canvases! GGRRRR!!
Oh, that would make me sick. I felt bad for you when I read your post. My luck would go like that. I can't seem to leave my pop-up alone. In the winter, I mostly stick my head in the door, I have not raised it but in the summer....
We have used ours twice (Fleetwood '07) in the low teens and have had no problems, but I did run the furnace and a electric heater for about 20 minutes to get the inside temp to about 45* just before closing.