Murder at Va. campground by security guards

Discussion in 'Campground Etiquette' started by Campit, May 30, 2013.

  1. gec66

    gec66 Active Member

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    Reading the attached story in the first post, the security guards were also charged with abduction, in addition to lynching. Just remember that prosecutors sometimes throw everything they can think of at a case or certain charges meant to establish public opinion more than truly reflect the nature of what occurred. There is also no way to know when media bias is adding misinformation or spin to a story. For right now all we really know is a guy died and three security guards were involved. I personally don't have much sympathy for people who have bad things happen to them when they are doing things that greatly increase your risk. Drunk off your butt "in the early morning hours" carries similar risks to "hey y'all, watch this", but to pass judgement based on newspaper stories isn't exactly prudent either.
     
  2. RichN

    RichN New Member

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    You guys out east need security guards to camp? Wtf? Is this campsite for million dollar coaches owned by jackwad babyboomers or what?
     
  3. BratsMuttsNFish

    BratsMuttsNFish New Member

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    wow
     
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    Any CG that holds Saturday night dances w/ bouncers is NOT on my list of places to go, lemme tell ya.
     
  5. beemerboy

    beemerboy New Member

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    Many times a "wannabe cop" aka security guard has little or no real training. So when a problem comes up, the adrenalin kicks in and the attitude of "I'm in charge around here" rears its ugly head and the brain shuts off.

    Even the police have a problem with that even though the supposedly have the training to prevent that.
     
  6. bondo54

    bondo54 Well-Known Member

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    in most states if some dies during a felony because of any reason it in the courts is 1st degree murder. So if they are being charged with a felony assault yes. In the least they will probably get Manslaughter.
     
  7. Campit

    Campit EAT SLEEP CAMP

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    This story is a crazy occurrence and does not represent how our other campgrounds here in Virginia are run. I've been told by some who live in that area, that campground is considered "Party Central" for local campers. But it's a campground that I would not camp in. I was just so shocked that it happened and sad of it's ending. Going to see how this plays out in court.


    Campit
     
  8. Sumoman

    Sumoman New Member

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    If he had a Pre existing condition and had a heart attack from a fight he started they won't get anything.
     
  9. Byrd_Huntr

    Byrd_Huntr Well-Known Member

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    [quote author=poohsta3]
    I think most often people that provide so called "security" have received no training other than the fact they are a "big" person and may appear threatening.....
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    Sorry, but as a veteran security and safety field manager for a major national retail company, I believe that this comment is made 30 years too late.

    Training was a little more spotty and interactions were potentially a little more 'physical' in both private and public law enforcement back then.

    There are now over 1 million security guards in this country, covering nearly every college, business campus, public figure, airport, production facility, power plant, hospital, casino, armored vehicle, shopping mall, and public venue. Most are background checked, adequately trained, and closely supervised. Many have or are working on law enforcement degrees.

    We still don't know what happened at the campground, but assuming worse case scenario: violent acts like this by security guards (if that's what they were) are extremely rare to almost non-existent.

    IMO, you are more likely to be killed and eaten by a silver wolf than beaten to death by a security guard for failing to turn on your headlights.
     
  10. tenttrailer

    tenttrailer Art & Joyce - Columbus, O

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    Not much details! Was if just something freak?? Or did they beat the guy to death???
     
  11. jjdcamper

    jjdcamper New Member

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    Is this story really true? If it is, it is absolutely awful, drunk or not.
    jjdcamper
     
  12. Campit

    Campit EAT SLEEP CAMP

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    ^^ Sad but true. Been waiting to hear more on this. We may never really know what all the details are.

    Campit
     
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    kpic New Member

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    IMO, they probably kept on hitting after the victim stopped hitting back. The anger and adrenalin were flowing.

    There are quite a few places in human anatomy where a person just should not be hit unless lethal force is justified and it could be they hit one of them.
     
  14. FirePro911

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    This thread is part of the reason the News is never on in our home. We do not want the negativity of murders, car wrecks, shootings, celebrity crap, and every other story that the media sensationalizes for ratings. I see all that stuff up close and personal here at work all the time, which is more than enough for me.

    The Media sensationalizes the story of the week for no other reason but to feed the sheep and sell advertisement space. So many folks just cannot get through their day without the News. I see some of the News here at the FD because the other FF's will watch it and I usually ignore it.

    No where in any of the two stories above did it mention a beating by the Security Guards, yet a few of you in this thread seem think a beating took place. He could have simply died from being physically held down to hard. Being intoxicated on top of that might not have helped.

    No one here knows what actually took place, you only know what the Media fed you and they most likely do not know the real story. They were not there either and can only go on what a Police Officer told them, which by the News Story was vague.

    So they use words like "lynching" to sensationalize the story. They didn't even bother to explain the lynching part, they just ran with the word to get you excited about the incident.

    Just because a Grand Jury saw something in the evidence to send it to trial, doesn't mean they are guilty. It means that the evidence presented to them met the criteria to go to trial.

    Once all the evidence is presented to a Jury, only that Jury will determine guilt or innocence.

    Always two sides to a story folks. The thing is to never ever believe the Medias side as they are not part of those two sides. lol!
     
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    It may just be me but the older I get the less I care. If he had just turn down his lights and avoided a confrontation he could be camping this weekend.
     
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    Right on FirePro911! I don't have a crystal ball or time machine handy right now so I can't tell you exactly what happened! When I see "Police Charged" I normally wait it out for "Attorney General charged" arrested parties often are brought in on charges way beyond what they end up actually facing in court. But that does not stop the masses and media from villianizing these men.
     
  17. Indy

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    Yes, exactly. It sound absolutely unreasonable but I need more info. The media never seems to give the whole story, just the headlines that make your eyes pop.

    Case in point, an acquaintance of mine was out of work and fell on hard times. He took a boarder in his home. One night, the guy was on drugs and started an argument. After they went to bed, the guy snuck into my friend's bedroom and started strangling him while he lay sleeping in the bed. My friend tried to fight him off, then managed to grab a pistol off his nightstand & shot and killed he man. He immediately called 911, but the guy bled out on the floor. He cooperated fully with the police and insisted on going in to give his statement immediately though they did not require it.

    I found out when I saw him, his name, and his home plastered on the news for murder. They inteviewed his neighbors who were all "shocked that their neighbor had lived there for years and seemed like a good guy." They were now terrified. I was horrified.

    No charges were ever even brought because of the situation, all of which was easily confirmed. Did the news ever run a follow-up story to clear his name? NOPE.

    And this was the guy that sold me my first PUP, so you know he can't be bad! [:O]
     

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