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    Eric Ylizaliturri New Member

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    Hi everyone my name is Eric and what brought me here is my cousins trailer or pop up not sure what the proper lingo is. Last year my cousin had a seizure out of the blue so his wife and two little girls took him to the hospital where he was diagnosed with stage four brain cancer. Shortly after they purchased this little trailer to go camping, something he always wanted to share with his girls. Unfortunately the treatments took their toll on him from the start and wasn’t able to take his girls camping, he passed within the year. He was only 46 and with a family that misses him dearly every day, I’m trying to find ways for the little ones to stay positive and to do things dad always wanted to do. So I have them here with me and the trailer in the driveway and would love to take them for a little camping trip but the trailer has some issues that I need to fix first. Just need some how to advice on how to fix some stuff.
     
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    Eric Ylizaliturri New Member

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    The first problem I encountered was no running lights so I moved the trailer during the day. The brake lights and turn signals work fine just no running lights. So I checked out the 7 pin connector and it looked a bit corroded so I replaced it and still have no running lights. I replaced the bulbs first then the 7 pin. I checked the fuses in the trailer all are good and the tow vehicle is a new Ford Explorer. I went underneath and not much of anything under there as far as wiring goes, any suggestions wher to look?
     
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    The trailer is a Fleetwood Tucson.
     

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    jmkay1 2004 Fleetwood/Coleman Utah

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    First thing I would do it take a test light and check the pigtail on both the camper side and tow vehicle side on all pins so you can narrow the problem a little. When I had that problem it turned out something was wrong on my tow vehicle. Even if it's a new vehicle it could be something as simple as a fuse on the tow vehicle is missing or blown. In my case I had a blown fuse in my tow vehicle. Like you, I searched all over the camper and even brought it to the shop to be looked at only for them to say, it works fine. Good luck, hopefully yours is as simple fix as mine. By the way sorry for the loss and welcome to the portal. Once you get everything up and running take those girls camping.
     
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    Hello and welcome from Minnesota!

    Check the fuses in your Explorer. The only time I had problems with just dead trailer running lights, I had a blown fuse in my tow vehicle. There could be up to four different fuses affected. Check your vehicle manual. Also purchase a TAIL LIGHT TESTER to verify the problem is not with the vehicle.
     
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    Welcome to the Portal from South Carolina. Let us know what you find.
     
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    Here are the pinouts for the 7-pin Bargman connector.

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    Instead of a test light I'd highly recommend you instead use a DVM (Digital Voltmeter) which these days are quite inexpensive.

    You might also want to download a parts manual, owner's manual, lift system repair guide, etc, all of which are available here.

    https://colemanpopupparts.com/
     
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    Who wired the Bargeman (TV)socket? Factory?
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    Did you clean the bulb socket contact points when you replaced the bulbs?

    Is it your tail lights that dont work or your running lights? or both?

    I would be surprised if the camper had separate fuses for running lights/etc. The purpose of a fuse is to protect the wiring and the camper designer is probably relying on the TV fuse.

    Does the running lights/taillights on the TV work?
     
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    Welcome from the mountains of West Virginia
     
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    Sorry for your loss. Loosing my Dad as a grown man expecting it for years was crushing, I can't imagine loosing him as a child.
    +1 on verifying you have power from the TV (tow vehicle)
     
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    Hi everyone, thank you for all the responses and sorry for my late response it’s been crazy around here. We figured it out finally.. Just after my cousin had purchased the pop up his friend replaced the side running lights, his wife remembers a couple were broken so they replaced all four with new ones. His friend is an electrician so I didn’t think there would be a problem but behind those rivets and silicon was the answer. When he replaced the lights he put the green wire as ground and the white as hot but as you guys know and we know now the green is the supply and white is ground. I’m not sure if all trailers are wired this way but I was surprised. So I cut and spliced them back the other way and replaced the fuse that was blown and we have running lights! Like some of you guys said there are multiple fuses for the tow connector, when I checked the book I just saw the first one and checked it and stoped should of kept reading but with the lights wired right no more blown fuses. I need to take pictures of the electric brake stuff and ask you guys about that, the wires are cut underneath by each wire and there is some sort of module by the battery that is rusted out, when I get back I’ll post some pics. Thank You All for the help we appreciate it!
     
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    Actually campers are the only trailers I've ever found to use the green wire for tail/clearance lights. White has been ground on all trailers I've worked on. Other trailers use brown for tail/clearance lights and green for right turn/brake. They use the same terminal in the 7 blade connector, but use different color wires. The center (purple) wire can be used for different things. My TV uses it for reverse lights, but my PUP had the 12 volt feed for the fridge connected to it.
     
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    Hi everyone, with the holidays and life it’s been busy around here but we we’re able to take the trailer camping. We met some family out in Glamis CA for the holiday weekend. The trailer towed just fine didn’t even feel it behind the truck, I checked the tires before we left and they we’re at 25psi I thought that was low and max stated on the tire is 80 psi so I decided to put them at 50, I’m not sure what the correct psi should be but it towed just fine. The trailer brake wires were cut underneath by each tire so no electric brakes but with it being so small I thought it would be fine. Since we we’re in the desert it was COLD at night and the trailer is not air tight at all. We had a small generator for the heater but it would only last about 5hours and then we would freeze until I got out and filled the gas up again. The trailer did it’s job and the girls had so much fun, I know my cousin was looking down and smiling. Any more advice you guys have would be great, thanks again!
     

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    80 p.s.i. with the tires cold.
     
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    As stated, fill the tires to the max. Helps to carry the weight of the camper. If ots cold in the future at spots look to camp with an ellectric site and use a portable heater. And i would fix the breaks, less ware and tare on your tow vehicle.
     
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    Wow fill the tires to the max surprises me but ok, I thought they might swell when they heat up some. We are headed to the beach this weekend and definitely looked for a site with power and we found one. Any suggestions on how to make it more air tight? We noticed a lot of air coming through the door edges so we put a blanket up to slow it down. I will look at replacing the propane lines and check out the brakes when we get back. It would be nice to get the propane working for heat and some basic cooking.
     
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    If you have power , get a small electric heater. Your paying for the power heat the pup for free and save on propane. It will never be air tight, and if it was you would have a lot of condinsation on the inside. People do use refledex in the windows etc for helping keep the heat in. I never camped in real cold weather for a long period , but the electric heater does make it comfortable inside.
     
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