Non disabled people hogging ADA campsites? How?

In some of the places we go, ADA sites are released for overnight use at some point, if they have not been reserved. Otherwise, I don't usually see anything requiring some sort of ADA permit, it seems to be on the honor system. One issue is that there are so many agencies running public campgrounds - USFS, COE, state and national parks, the occasional city or county parks, etc. I've never tried (even by accident) to reserve a HC site, so don't know how it appears on the reservation systems. I do know that the reservation system state that I have to show my Senior Pass to confirm I have it on arrival, since that reduces the base site fee by 50%, but few places ask for it.
One of our favorite campgrounds has one loop that we've been using for 25 years or so; it's all dry camping, so having power isn't an issue. When they updated it, a lot of sites in that loop were made "accessible", but not ADA, although there is no notice of any sort on the sites themselves. They are flat, but that seems to be the extent of the accessibility. They're graveled, and in most campgrounds, the ADA sites have concrete, even if others don't. The ones that aren't rated as accessible are really tent only - i.e. tiny parking space, steps to a tent pad, or have space for a vehicle and that's it. We've seen the occasional van or small TT on a couple, but tight fit is an understatement. When we reserve a site, a huge notice comes up that says something to the effect that you are about to reserve an accessible campsite, choose another if able to do so. The first time that happened, quite a while after the update, we were a bit surprised, but we just go with it - we can't fit on anything else, couldn't even with our tiny, first popup (we've been using the same site on most trips since tenting days). Sure was nice to have the flat campsite last year, when I broke my ankle the morning we arrived.

 

I dont know. I do know that some places fill the ada sites after all the regular ones are filled. I dont normally take those, even if there the only ones left. But im sure others do. I will also bet some dont understand that arw new to camping, and i have never sceen anything asking for proof to verify. I haven't really looked though.

 

I get it. Up north here we have to book as soon as the window opens. So, i got used to it. If i dont or cant go i try to cancle. Sometimes i have to cut my trips short. Not ideal, but it is what it is. Good , luck.

 

I have to say that We have also noticed this. When walking the State park campgrounds in Illinois I very and I mean very rarely see a handicap plate on a tow vehicle or a motorhome in the sites reserved for that.

 

I'd never take one I don't think I would unless we had to for only 1 night, but we make our reservations early, so we should never need to. I think that there should be a sticker or something that people should put on the post that marks the site, that shows its legit. Like everyone has to put up that piece of paper showing that they paid for the site.

 

Was the campground otherwise full? Some people view these like the ADA stall in the bathroom. If the others are occupied and you need it, you take it regardless of your ability.

 

The growth in interest in camping has outpaced growth of places to camp for some years now. It is not new, nor is it confined to ADA HC spots. There is no quick and easy solution to it, and the spike in campers, or those who decided to camp last year after not doing for years, because COVID19 limited other options, only made it worse. Add in some campgrounds that are close for various non-COVID19 related reasons, and things are just interesting.
A friend and I drove from ABQ to Farmington, NM and back on Labor Day, and the stream of vehicles seemingly heading home from camping was amazing; some were frightening, since they were so mismatched. There were quite a number that looked like someone had hauled a popup or TT out of storage, hooked it up and set off. NM state parks were closed at the time, so where they all had camped is anyone's guess.
Some campgrounds are limiting site occupation, although there is a (maybe faint) hope they will open more as things improve this year. For example, Mather CG at South Rim Grand Canyon has been allowing reservations at 50%, I cannot figure out how they determined which would be shut for the year, I would assume the few HC sites were left available. (It is a dry campground but there are HC sites there at at the equally dry North Rim campground).
We moved to mostly reserved spots some time in the early to mid-90s, because the SW seemed to have been discovered by the rest of the world. Being shut out of FCFS sites mid-day, mid-week got old very quickly. We seldom arrive before mid-afternoon on many trips, since we drive 6-9 hours to get to a campground, and having to search for a campsite at that point is not our idea of fun. One thing that has changed for reservations over the years is that the lead time, not counting lucking into a cancellation, has gotten shorter. Where once we were fine making plans 3-4 months in advance, or adding to plans already make, we now make reservations when the window opens. That has worked well for us, because of my husband's work schedule, we use his alternate Fridays off and vacation days to get more camping time. How we will organize trips once he retires in a few years is unknown.

 

My two cents about ADA sites at a campground we like to go to.
The sites are labeled as ADA accessible as a convenience to those that need them.
They are not meant to be for only ADA users.

 

Most of the ADA sites I have seen around me were less desirable from a camping standpoint. They were usually at the end of a loop, often adjacent to or across from the restroom, and usually had zero shade. In years past they were almost always vacant unless the park was at 100% capacity. These days, with so many people camping, and often with only alternating sites open, or some parts of the parks shut down due to maintenance and staffing shortages, they all seem to be taken.

I think with most state campgrounds they seem to rely on an honor system, as there is no repurcussion for the park rangers to take if you are camping there with no disability or placard on your vehicle. It could easily be a family taking grandma out for the weekend, and there may not be a placard since she doesn't drive. Maybe an autistic kid or something, and running around between trees at a regular site could be more dangerous.

 

I think this is how it is for most of the CG we go to. The ADA sites are last to be reserved, but I don't think they are saved just for someone needing an ADA site, it's who books first.

 

What if I were to go camping with a relative with a qualifying disability and we used my tow vehicle, would that be OK with you?

 

I accidentally booked an ADA spot one time. It was next to the bathhouse and we had kids and adults trekking through our spot the whole time. I didn’t realize it was ADA until we got there. I felt horrible. Lesson learned, though. I pay very careful attention to what I am booking. There was at least one more ADA spot at the other end of the bathhouse that was vacant the whole time we were there.

 

After reading through this thread I was really curious and interested on how ADA sites work, so I phoned Oregon State Park info line and asked. These are the rules for ADA sites in an Oregon State Park :-

You can only reserve an ADA site by phoning them to make a reservation. You can not reserve those sites online.

You do not need a disabled badge/placard to book one but you do need a medical need for one. i.e - someone in your group has a broken leg, etc

If you are a first-come-first-served guest and an ADA site is available, it will be released to you at 7pm but the Ranger has to check you in, you can not just occupy the site.

So here in Oregon, ADA sites are not the same as a disabled parking spot, it's for those that need it and have gone through the correct channels to book it...... or a sneaky git who wrapped their leg in a bandage & borrowed Nan's walking frame, just sayin'

So, it's best not to give any campers who are occupying an ADA site the stink eye, as they either need the site or arrived as a walk-up before you

 

Na, we can still give um the stink eye. Lol. I get what the op is saying and i also get the need for the ada sites. Some may not be able to book far in advance. Unfortunately, this is the new normal. I dont even have my vacation picked at work yet. But i have 6 trips booked. Im sure some will have to be cancled. But , this is the only way to do it so i can go someplaces i want to. Is it ideal, nope. But its nessassery.

 

Debi has a placard for disabled parking. It's in the glovebox. If we park in a marked space we hang it on the mirror, and when we leave that space it goes back in the glovebox. Any time I'm parked in a space that does not require the placard to be displayed it's in the glovebox. So just come ask and I will show it to you.

 

I THINK Va. state parks campsites are marked w/ a blue handicap placard...I could qualify for tags I guess thru the VA, but can't make myself put in for 'em as long as I can still get around half azzed...