Not sure how wide spread this is

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  1. BillyMc

    BillyMc Well-Known Member

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    Bent frames on TT.
     
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    jmkay1 2004 Fleetwood/Coleman Utah

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    As scary as it sounds, it does not surprise me. Seeing my parents trailer and lack of floor joists and using foam as a floor, manufacturers are taking way too many shortcuts in the name of weight. Even if it comes at the cost of critical support. My parents floor was caving in on their camper and both the dealer and manufacturer was essentially saying not their problem. It’s sad, scary, and down right infuriating that manufacturers are not held accountable for these shortcuts. It’s not just one brand but all of them it seems. They all are trying to brag of how light weight a camper is, but at what cost? What shortcuts did they take?
     
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    DiamondGirl Adventures with KODI in AZ

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    Thanks for posting. My KODIAK is by Dutchmen under Keystone. DH takes the WDH off when going off road. Especially since we go along the lakeshore when camping at the lake. DH will have to keep monitoring the frame. Not sure the thickness is the same as mentioned in the video. But we go off-road when boondocking 90% of the time. DH will have to measure it to know for sure.

    Happy Camping…[put&hy]
     
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    xxxapache Well-Known Member

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    Very informative. No Keystone products or trailers with Lippert frames for me. No doubt that frame was flimsy. The sad fact is most square box TTs are poorly made. I doubt if I will ever own one.

    The guy that made the video could solve his tailgate hitting the jack issue by using a longer shank. I have a 14" long shank. I drilled an extra pin hole and use it at 12". I can back up at almost 90 degrees and not hit the TV on the TT.
     
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    LjohnSaw So many fish, so little time...

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    Well, the 5/16" tube was overkill. The 1/4" is more than sufficient. What the welder *should* have done was to extend that A frame back under the trailer to help distribute the stress over a greater area. I would be leery of it bending at that point of where the 5/16" ends.
     
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    BillyMc Well-Known Member

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    If they had used 3/16" and took it back another foot or two it probably wouldn't have failed and would have added very little weight. Extending the A frame actually adds leverage to the point it connects to the frame rail.
     
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    That one comes up in my feed, but haven't watched it...
     
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    Okay watched it, not surprised. That is one of the driving reasons I wouldn't even consider a factory new RV even if I had the funds. Better to let someone else iron out the problems they make these things with. Honestly the RV industry is pretty lousy. REALLY surprised the DOT allows them to get away with what they do...
     
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    DiamondGirl Adventures with KODI in AZ

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    We did some research. Our KODI is made by Dutchmen under the Keystone RV company. So the manufacturer is Dutchmen and done differently even though Keystone is the parent company. The frame is manufactured by Lippert but it is solid built. Not a C Channel or hollow frame. It depends on which frame model is used for your trailer. Plus, KODI is an off-road model. So it’s heavier duty than the regular non off-road models. The trailer from the video is not an off-road model. But we will still remove the WDH when driving over non paved roads to prevent any damage to the frame. Thanks for sharing the video cause that gives us the opportunity to look at KODI and recognize what we have and how to prevent any damage.

    Happy Camping…[put&hy]
     
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    tfischer A bad day camping beats a good day at the office

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    Sounds like it was a terrible road if it damaged multiple campers. I was one one in Montana a few years ago that was the most ridiculous thing I've ever driven on in my 50+ year life. Same situation: a pilot car took us through a road construction project... we swerved around dirt piles and the level sometimes dropped by several feet over a couple feet distance. I had my minivan with stow & go and thus not much ground clearance, pulling our PUP. This went on for like 10 miles.

    I was shocked when we got to our destination (Yellowstone) and the pup was just fine.
     
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    theseus Living the Darkside...

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    This is not a problem specific to one brand or even one manufacturer. Lippert provides frames to Forest River and Thor. Between the two RV companies, that is 80% plus of the market. There is a class action lawsuit by Forest River owners claiming that the axles are so cheaply made that it is damaging the frame. I have a 21 Springdale and will keep my fingers crossed. If there is truly a major problem, it will be like the ABS roof fiasco with Fleetwood at the turn of the millennium. I am sure Lippert's lawyers have noted that fact.
     
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    tfischer A bad day camping beats a good day at the office

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    I had no idea camper mfgs didn't even make the frames. What exactly DO they make? lol. It seems like they buy a whole pile of parts and assemble them.
     
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    jmkay1 2004 Fleetwood/Coleman Utah

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    . This...I think is more true than you may think. Sure manufacturers add their own emblem and color scheme but the actual parts are manufactured by another company and retrofitted to work for the design. One of the reasons the manuals are so worthless on a camper they didn't make the part so they expect you to reference the manual for said part.
     
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    theseus Living the Darkside...

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    This is exactly what they do. Think of it like a contractor who builds houses. They don't make the lumber and all the other stuff; they just buy it and put it together.

    Some of the manufacturers claim they specifically design the frame for each trailer. Note I said "design". They do not build them but order them from the frame maker. That leaves them the option of saying the frame maker is responsible if the frame fails I would think.
     
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    tfischer A bad day camping beats a good day at the office

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    Lumber is one thing. I always assumed the makers were responsible for the frame and body construction and just outsourced commodity parts like appliances and such.
     

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