I think I already answered that...The Fred Hall show is huge, hundreds of rv's at the Kern county fairgrounds, and there are used units as well. In the 5-6 years we've gone, we've only seen pups in one year, 2years ago. I don't think there is a 'good' selection anymore- Starcraft, Jayco, Coleman/Fleetwood are all not producing pups. GreyFox is right- there's no money there. I would assume up front that there are no pups at a show, and if you happen to see one- bonus.