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Discussion in 'Camper Manufacturers & Manuals' started by ChocoChock01, Oct 1, 2013.
Does this mean something?
I think they are mouse turds!! haha
that is "I think I will retract this comment."
Interesting article about Coleman and Somerset.
we have more Skampers logged than Somerset's??
That is a good article telling what I would expect a company who has plans to grow the brand rather than siphon off past reputation.
They are taking a tested design with plans on improving as they go. Thus, the argument of lightening the design would be expected.
After all, compare the handling, acceleration, efficiency, AND maintenance of 1968 Dodge Charger to a 2014 Dodge Charger. Both companies have changed ownership over the years, have the similar models in production AND have vastly improved the engineering.
Hope Somerset is a financial success!!
It looks like on here and I'm sure around the country, Fleetwood/Coleman had a big share of the market. I don't understand how they couldn't keep going when Jayco, Palomino and others made it through the bad times? Bad management?
They were owned by an investment company ( Blackstreet Capital Management a Chevy Chase, Md.-based private equity fund) that probably had set margins to maintain and if they weren't going to make them in the foreseeable future, you shutter the doors.
Even though Berkshire Hathaway is also an investment company, they tend to look at markets and synergy within those markets.
we have over 500+ responses and 9 brands still 0?
It was a combination of debt, union wages, and management trying to maintain a reasonable price point without skimping on quality.
They couldn't compete with FR because FR cut so many corners and Jayco because Jayco was in a better financial position.
A few years ago I really dug into the financials of the whole matter-it wasn't surprising that they closed.
Poor Fleetwood, they got caught using the Coleman logo on non PUs, they lost the lawsuit and had to pay up, IIRC $14 million. They did retain the right to the Coleman license for PUs and forced Coachmen to stop using it (Futura), Coleman had to pay Coachmen off since Coleman had entered into a license agreement with Coachmen before all the lawsuits. Warranty expense was high for Blackstreet since Coleman's had a life long warranty on certain parts that seemed to fail.
Late 90s early 00s, Fleetwood shipped more that 20,000 units a year!
Now, all makers together they ship less than that!
Thanks for the de-brief!
Many wondered the same.
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There is a lot of info out there.
This is from iRV2.
It's very succinct.
Units sold '06 to '02 from their annual report
folding trailers 11,075 11,253 14,543 17,118 17,946
Tried to list our Palomino and Skamper, but wouldn't accept 2 votes. Just goes to show why we need to sell the Skamper real quick and not have two PUPs to push around to driveway and garage. Actually we were supposed to sell today, but the weather was part of the problem!
Time to do another snap shot of %.
Agreed - this should be a running poll.
Guess we are the only Coachmen owners BB. LOL
I'm not laughing, trust me...
I'm surprise by the number of Skampers!
Being they stopped making them in 1995.
I'm the second Lees-ure Lite owner! Yay!