Restoring a 1975 Krown

Discussion in 'Camper Restoration Projects' started by UpNorth-John, Sep 4, 2010.

  1. UpNorth-John

    UpNorth-John Member

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    This one is like the phoenix bird - it is now rising from the ashes (not really ashes - just severe water damage) for the second time. After a decade of neglect (by me) its time to restore the box, frame, aluminum outer skin, brakes, suspension and of course - time for some nifty upgrades!

    pictures of some of the work so far are here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/sets/72157624755539237/

    It already has the new panelling and vinyl flooring installed (just no pics yet) and the electrical components are waiting for installation. Still have to rebuild all the inside cabinetry - mostly to original size/shape, with a couple new features.
     
  2. bols2Dawall

    bols2Dawall S.W. Ontario

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    Nice job
     
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    Looking good. I'd like to see pictures when you "get er dun"
     
  4. UpNorth-John

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    Not done yet, but starting to see the light at the end of the (still long) tunnel. Here are some pics as it goes back together...


    The rear quarter view - no more woodgrain (good riddance)
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    The front quarter view - the gold lower half was original - I picked the burgundy to replace the woodgrain "Queen family truckster" effect. The stripes are an attempt to tie the front/rear into the basic refrigerator white sides (no stripes originally).
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    Now to paint a duplicate of that original logo - the vinyl had long decayed - and the new one will be burgundy/gold.
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    Sorry if the images don't display (still tryin to learn how this works here). Here's the link: http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/
    More to follow...
     
  5. Dusty82

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    WOW! What an amazing transformation!

    I gotta admit that when I looked at the first two pictures, my first thought was, "Oh no - that thing is shot. He'll never get that back together." Glad to see that you did!

    I gotta ask you - is that the original skin or did you replace it with new sheet metal? If it's new replacement sheetmetal, where did you get it? I think the colors are great!

    Excellent job! Can't wait to see the finished pup! She's sure to be a beauty.
     
  6. UpNorth-John

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    Thanks for the compliments. That is the original 1975 sheetmetal - dings, dents and all. Its just been removed, stripped and repainted. The painting has given me some fits (it looks ok from 10 feet away or further) but it'll do.

    This is actually the second time those "ends" have needed work - they were just a whole lot worse this time around (complete replacement). Fortunately I don't have to rebuid the top - that was a complete replacement project 18 yrs ago. Boy am I glad I rebuilt with pressure treated lumber (and then water sealed to boot)!

    I really got inspired on this project from a Michigan guy who rebuilds derelict trailers into showpieces - "Ynot camper restorations" out of Jackson, MI. and from looking at pics from the Tin Can Tourists (out of Milford, MI) a vintage camper club.
     
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    Just adding my cudos to you, Upnorth John, looks like quite a project. Looking great so far!
     
  8. Dusty82

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    Well you did a great job or resurrecting that old sheetmetal. It looks great!

    I noticed you're still having a problem posting the pics from your Flickr page. I discovered a secret to it and posted that secret here:

    http://www.popupportal.com/index.php?topic=34479.msg217200#msg217200

    Great job so far, and good luck in the future!
     
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    Thanks again for the compliments. Rothappens - love the screenname - now why can't I think of stuff like that?

    Dusty - tried your method, Flikr changed stuff, so it didn't work...or I'm just not that saavy at this photo site business - maybe I'll stick to fixin' mechanical stuff (like boats and campers). [8D]
     
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    Neato Resto .... I love the paint scheme! Can't wait to see more pics!

    I use Flickr all the time and I really like it. To display Flickr pics here at the Popup Portal you can do the following:

    At Flickr click the link that says "Share" which is located above your photo on the left. This will display a few share options. You want "Grab the HTML/BB Code".

    From that code you'll need to paste the image URL here at the Popup Portal. Below is the entire HTML Share code from one of your Flickr photos. The first link (the href) is the page ... (www.flickr.com etc etc) ... you don't need that. The part shown in BOLD is what you need to cut and paste to show the image here on the Popup Portal ... it is the image address for the photo (http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4091/4961409649_1803a5b33d.jpg):

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/4961409649/" title="front quarter by Johns camping, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4091/4961409649_1803a5b33d.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="front quarter" /></a>

    Click the "Image" icon here at the portal and paste JUST THE IMAGE ADDRESS between the image tags.

    Again, the code: http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4091/4961409649_1803a5b33d.jpg

    The code when placed between the image tags:

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    You need to do this for each image.

    Keep the images coming!


    VOILA!
     
  11. Dusty82

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    Thanks Karlton. Typical - I learn the rules and they change the game...
     
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    If you are using firefox as your web browser its very easy....locate a photo you like (from absolutely anywhere) then just right click on the image and choose "copy image location"...then return to your popup portal posting and click the insert image icon button from the menu within your post.. and then right click and choose past so that you are pasting inbetween the image brackets. Firefox makes it way easy and firefox is free, fast, and safe.
     
  13. UpNorth-John

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    Thanks again for the cudos. The paint scheme took a while to figure out - especially the stripe's end details - in the end the KISS principle won out and I'm fairly pleased with the results.

    Karlton, I'll try again to post pics (thanks for the very detailed instructions). BTW - Loved the pics of your Bethany - reminds me of the yellow/orange/brown flowered cushions mine had originally (the mice took care of those), the canvas is still that same mustard beige color. I had to give up on the American walnut panelling (that they all had back then) - too much water damage.

    Here is today's new work - restoring the Krown logo - in camper's new colors.
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    This was the original...the line is where my add-a-room attaches - so the logo will be shifted closer to the door.
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    Now I have to try to get this detail on a sticker to lay over part of the (painted) logo
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    ...Its just a "Michigan" thing, what can I say.
     
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    Update photos - kinda lengthy.

    Had to move the "box" out into the driveway to paint the side panels on the top (15-20 mph winds and rattle-can paint don't mix). Snapped a few pics while it was stiing out there.

    Here is the same corner (and views) as my first two teardown pics.
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    The back portion of the interior - with wiring roughed in.
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    Underneath - brake wiring is nearly finished - grey conduit holds the AC wiring.
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    Tongue rework included removal, cleanup and relocation of dual tank mount to allow for the new battery box mount.
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    Here is the streetside view - wonder where he got those colors from? Actually gold was original (on front) and burgundy matches interior cushions. The "matching" thing was just a happy coincidence.
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    I'll snap some with the top on once its paint and trim is finished.
     
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    JulesCamper Indianapolis, IN

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    Very very nice!!
     
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    Great job!, keep the pictures coming. We had an 81' Krown Monarch that we dragged all over North America for about 22years, loved it.
     
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    Real nice John .
     
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    John,
    After reading about your re-build and seeing the pictures, I had to register. That PUP looks great. I have a question for you, though. One of your pictures of the front of the PUP shows the ribbing and another picture shows the 1/8" plywood bent over them. Your description says that you used hot water and straps to shape the wood. Can you give a little more detail about what you did to make the plywood bend without breaking? I am going to have to do something similar once I dig into my project.

    Thanks,
    Dave
     
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    Don't wanna answer for john, but the idea is that the heat helps loosen the adhesive in the ply and the moisture makes the wood fibers pliable so that the sheet can be bent. 1/8 inch ply is pretty easy to bend around a radius but if it need a very tight bend then it needs some help. The hot moisture can be applied with hot damp cloth or blown on with a steamer. As the wood becomes more and more pliable you gradually bend it over the curved form you are working with and clamp it down...or screw it, it really depends on the project, in this case john used ratchet style straps so that the ply could be slowly ratcheted down to the desired form.....you don't want the wood too wet, just enough to coax it.

    This is not John's but is a good example of bending ply over a radius with straps. This is a teardrop trailer build on a different site:
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    -sorry in advance for tainting the thread with this pic but it is a perfect example of the technique.
     
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    Dave, thanks, Its been a long road to restore this oldie, but I think the finished product will be worth it. As an aside - if you look at the first photo (of my last previous post), you'll notice that the original didn't have the ply wrap - just a couple flat pieces ('92 duplicates of the orig. 1975 structure) - I decided the wrap would give the ends a better overall appearance and should be more durable (and dent resistant).

    Now the answer to your question - Ballard has it exactly right. It's a technique used in wooden boat building (and in very light and miniature aircraft construction). Basically you anchor one end (that is VERY important, FME), and start your bend cold. When its as far as you gonna get it with out splitting - you get out the straps and the hot towels - and don't forget the slats, braces, spanners or whatever those full width (or nearly so) pieces are called that are placed under the straps - or else you'll get dips and bulges - piling them in certain hard spots can help push things that last little bit to where they need to be (mine took a stack of thin lumber and a 6' long piece of 2" square tube at one point). As for moisture & heat I use one or two (roughly) 16" x 24" towel(s) soaked and rung out so its wet but not dripping - then microwave it (about 3-4 minutes in a 1650W - YMMV). It will be scalding to the touch - use heavy mitts, tongs, whatever keeps you from getting burnt, then go slap it on the wood (move it around if necessary). after about 30 sec. , start tightening the straps (or pushing with a gloved hand) to get it where you want it. after 3-4 minutes (it will cool that fast), repeat if necessary. Important to take your time and be sure to screw down once its in place before you remove straps, and even then do so SLOWLY - and watch for splitting and screw pull-through (you may need to secure differently). I did one end with with screws, and the other with an air stapler (flooring type staples) - I would recommend the screws - it worked better.

    HTH, John
     

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