STOLEN POPUP!!

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LNicoleAdler

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Apr 30, 2019
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Do you have the VIN written down somewhere? That and a license plate can make a difference if someone stumbles on it.
Since we never expected this to happen (and frankly, because we're inexperienced trailer owners) we never wrote down our VIN or license plate. In fact, the DMV even sent our title to the wrong address so we don't even have a physical copy of that either. It's a huge mess.
 

LNicoleAdler

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Apr 30, 2019
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I feel your pain, we had a travel trailer stolen that we had furnished as a home away from home.
Police found it trashed in a chop shop lot.
This is exactly what I'm afraid of. I already know all of the new home goods, cookware, keepsakes inside will be all gone. And since PUPs are so tricky to put up unless you know what you're doing that I'm sure its going to be broken too.
 

LNicoleAdler

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Apr 30, 2019
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I'm so sorry, I hope you are able to get it back or at least get it covered by the landlord's insurance. I'm no lawyer, but my common sense says they should cover it if you were paying to store it there.

This is exactly why every state should require a title for every trailer, regardless of the weight. There are too many places a thief could take this, register it as their own and get tags. They are always supposed to have the trailer on site (if no title,) where the DMV worker is supposed to walk outside and check the VIN, but I know for a fact this doesn't always happen.
We DO have a title for it, just not a paper copy. But it is registered in our name at the DMV.
 

Fixitup

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Jun 7, 2016
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How are they less than honnest? OP chose not to insure an insurable loss, and stored it on someone else's property. The landlord's insurance policy would not cover it because it does not belong to him ( you don't insure other's personal property under your policy, but your own). Exceptions are say if you were operating said vehicle in the course of your business, such as a garage or rv dealer, but then only while it is being used. Just parked doesn't count.

Sounds like the landlord took reasonable precautions, such as gating and locking his lot. There is no liability suit here. Perhaps a civil suit, but then that has nothing to do with insurance, and you'll still have to prove neglect. The judge will likely just tell you that you should have insured it, because that's what a reasonable person would do with a 3 year old camper.

X3. I'm sorry for your loss. It all boils down to your lack of insurance on camper. Why should your lack of doing so become someone else's problem? Don't waste taxpayers $ in court for your lack of not insuring the camper.
 

Blackripley

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Jul 21, 2018
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Goleta Ca
Since we never expected this to happen (and frankly, because we're inexperienced trailer owners) we never wrote down our VIN or license plate. In fact, the DMV even sent our title to the wrong address so we don't even have a physical copy of that either. It's a huge mess.

I would bet if you look through all of your photos you will find one where you can read the plate number in it. A quick (well not so quick) trip to DMV will get you a copy of all of you paperwork. Wherever you took delivery of it will also have a copy of the VIN on file.
Suing your landlord is a rabbit hole I would not want to fall into. It would be very hard to prove neglect, and will only end up damaging your relationship.
Don't give up looking for it, if they do find it you are going to need paperwork to prove it is yours.
 

Balthisar

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Jun 26, 2018
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Plymouth, MI USA
There is no liability suit here. Perhaps a civil suit, but then that has nothing to do with insurance, and you'll still have to prove neglect. The judge will likely just tell you that you should have insured it, because that's what a reasonable person would do with a 3 year old camper.

A liability suit is a civil suit. That's why I mentioned a "friendly" lawsuit against the landlord. The landlord's insurance will pay for his defense (that's why insurance always has personal liability coverage), and if the landlord is proven liable, his insurance will pay the settlement. That's the theory, and why I suggested talking to a lawyer.
 

tzmartin

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Sep 9, 2015
1,387
Clayton, Georgia
Perhaps posting a picture and description in local campgrounds? Drive a few local campgrounds on the weekend to see if there's a match?
 

NMroamer

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Apr 21, 2016
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Albuquerque NM
All these living room lawyer's are hilarious.
No storage lot is responsible for any loss.
They just provide a space to store your vehicle.
Went to storage lots all over Albuquerque with that question.
 

JWeible

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May 11, 2015
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Sorry this happened. However, as the owner, it’s your responsibility to insure your property. If you had a vehicle that you chose not to insure get stolen would you expect someone else to cover it?
I hope you find your PUP.
 

tzmartin

Not here for a long time but here for a good time!
Sep 9, 2015
1,387
Clayton, Georgia
I've often wondered if i could hide an old iphone and connect it to the 12V charger and when the thief plugs up his electricity I could "find my Friend". I know the phone would need a chip and service, but could there be a cheap phone that you could track some other way?
 

xxxapache

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Jul 30, 2008
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Exactly....The DMV can give you the VIN. After you get it, take it to the police. They will enter the VIN in NCIC. After that, if law enforcement runs the VIN on the trailer, it will show up as a hit as stolen in NCIC.
 

erich82

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Mar 12, 2019
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A liability suit is a civil suit. That's why I mentioned a "friendly" lawsuit against the landlord. The landlord's insurance will pay for his defense (that's why insurance always has personal liability coverage), and if the landlord is proven liable, his insurance will pay the settlement. That's the theory, and why I suggested talking to a lawyer.

I should elaborate. When saying "friendly lawsuit", I interpreted it as small claims court, which seems that the maximum amounts have recently increased (it used to be around 6500$ here).

Regardless, any judge worth his weight will ask why you didn't insure it, and reject the claim. Now had the camper been insured, and reasonable measures were taken to ensure it wasn't stolen, that would hold more merit. It's very hard to prove neglect on the landlord when the owner was neglectful actually insuring it.

OP will end up with lawyer fees plus no camper.
 

erich82

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Mar 12, 2019
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Let's just inflict more pain on someone who has suffered a loss. I want to apologize to the OP on their behalf. I wish you well.

Having adult conversations about someone's loss and providing opinions (without insults or degrading them) is hardly inflicting pain on someone. The only out of place comment so far has been yours.
 

erich82

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Mar 12, 2019
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I've often wondered if i could hide an old iphone and connect it to the 12V charger and when the thief plugs up his electricity I could "find my Friend". I know the phone would need a chip and service, but could there be a cheap phone that you could track some other way?

Even cheaper, they sell small GPS chips the size of a coin that last about a week on batteries. Just hide it (they have adhesive ones) anywhere. You just have to remember to have it charged (maybe hard wire the charger and leave the popup plugged it when parked).
 

Blackripley

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Jul 21, 2018
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Goleta Ca
Even cheaper, they sell small GPS chips the size of a coin that last about a week on batteries. Just hide it (they have adhesive ones) anywhere. You just have to remember to have it charged (maybe hard wire the charger and leave the popup plugged it when parked).

I know people that put Tile tracking devices on their bikes, I'm sure it would work just as well in a camper. They are good for about a year, the tracking works on bluetooth but networks with everybody who has the app on their phone.
https://www.thetileapp.com/en-us/

My daughter (11) and I use one when we are tent camping or when we go to amusement parks. She wears one on a chain, if we get separated she can hit the button and it chimes my phone or I can track it with the app.
 

Orchid

Sharp Shootin' Grandma
May 8, 2011
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Florida by way of WV and MD
We DO have a title for it, just not a paper copy. But it is registered in our name at the DMV.

I think you misunderstood my comment. I understand that you have title and registration. However, there are states that don't require a title on trailers under a certain weight, like pop-ups. So, conceivably, a thief could take a stolen trailer to one of those states, with no title, and still have it registered in their own name, by changing the VIN number slightly. If the DMV worker doesn't go outside (trailers are required to be presented for inspection) and check the VIN on the actual trailer ... BOOM, the stolen trailer has a new owner in that state, complete with legal tags.
 

Balthisar

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Jun 26, 2018
327
Plymouth, MI USA
All these living room lawyer's are hilarious.
No storage lot is responsible for any loss.
They just provide a space to store your vehicle.
Went to storage lots all over Albuquerque with that question.

Asking the storage lot is pretty stupid. That's like asking a restaurant if they're responsible if you slip and fall in front of the soda dispenser. Or those parking structure tickets that say they're not responsible for acts against your car, when in fact in many cases, they are. This is a legal situation called "bailment," and like I said multiple times now, the OP should consult a lawyer for a free consultation.

Regardless, any judge worth his weight will ask why you didn't insure it, and reject the claim. Now had the camper been insured, and reasonable measures were taken to ensure it wasn't stolen, that would hold more merit. It's very hard to prove neglect on the landlord when the owner was neglectful actually insuring it.

OP will end up with lawyer fees plus no camper.

Don't be so sure. In a bailment situation, the bailor has a legal duty to protect your property. Say it was a car that was stolen instead of a popup. It might have PL/PD, but no full coverage, effectively "uninsured" for theft. In the case of negligence, the property owner could be responsible.

Yet again, the OP should consider a free consultation from a lawyer. And depending on the jurisdiction, if the case is good, the lawyer would actually work on contingency, because his reasonable fees would be recoverable as part of the loss.

I'm not saying "sue!"; I'm saying "consider suing," and frankly, it's irresponsible to to dissuade someone from explorer all of his or her options for recovery.
 
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