Vaccine

[SHFL]

David Brick - I agree with you on one point — I believe EVERYONE should be offered a free antibody test. We have been tracking vaccinations, but not immunity. Having antibody information would allow us to learn more about subsequently infection (as in, did infection provide sufficient immunity), and give us a better idea of what percentage of the population has no immunity. And with the proper survey administered at the time of antibody testing, we can get a better idea of how many people had been infected but asymptomatic.

Note: I have been fully vaccinated since mid-March.

 

[RonDad]

How come I can find so much more information on selecting a tow vehicle than selecting which vaccine would be best? If they were all equal, they would be the same, but that's not the case.

People that were advocates for their own health as part of their lifestyle BEFORE the mask-era find this new recommendation, education, anti-transparency approach hard to accept. There is no trusted, voice-of-reason in the US at this time.

 

[Grandpa Don]

How come I can find so much more information on selecting a tow vehicle than selecting which vaccine would be best? If they were all equal, they would be the same, but that's not the case.

People that were advocates for their own health as part of their lifestyle BEFORE the mask-era find this new recommendation, education, anti-transparency approach hard to accept. There is no trusted, voice-of-reason in the US at this time.

I'm 75 years-old. This is my experience with the vaccines. My grandson got the J&J version and had only mild side effects. (i.e., chills and slight weakness). My cousins got the Pfizer vaccine. Both husband and wife were just very weak and just wanted to sleep for a day. Nothing more. My other cousin also got the Pfizer vaccine. He had mild side effects like chills, a back ache, and a very slight touch of nausea. The nausea only lasted a few hours. The back ache lasted two days. My 74 year-old sister and her husband also got the Pfizer vaccine. They both had no side effect at all. Not even a sore arm. I got the Moderna vaccine. Both shots last March. I didn't even feel the needle going in. Nothing! No side effects at all. Not even a sore arm.

In my opinion, I think a person's immune system has a lot to do with whether you have problems or not. I have been taking a lot of Vitamin D3 for years now as my Doctor suggested. I don't eat junk food... if I can help it. No sodas, no candy, no salt, and no sugar, no cigarettes, no alcohol! I am very active and get some exercise. Obviously... I'm a camper in a popup! That takes some exercise. My two married cousins are retired. They are also very active with a big camper. I don't know about their eating habits. My single cousin is diabetic, very over weight (255 lbs.), eats junk food and gets no exercise at all. He also has a popup camper, but has never use it. My grandson, 29 years-old, is also very active. He works 10 hours a day by choice. He likes his job and love the money. That's my story and I'm sticking with it!

 

[Dave Brick]

Hilldwe;ler said:

As of Friday there were over 27,000 new cases per day in the US.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/covidview/index.html


You are reading the 7 day moving average.

As of yesterday, per the same CDC website:

May 23 2021 13,186 new cases.

They are dropping fast. All in the face of decreasing mask use.

Incidentally, the Spanish flu from the 1917-1919 pandemic, that virus is STILL AROUND. The human immune system has rendered it irrelevant. It didn't cease to exist. Same with swine flu, bird flu, etc. The same is happening here. The virus isn't going away, but between natural immunity and the fastest turnaround of emergency immunizations in history, it is on it's way out.

I was sufficiently comfortable with the efficacy of the vaccines to get immunized, but frankly, the safety really remains to be seen. So far, so good for the most part. Who knows what happens 20-30 years out? Remember Thalidomide? Zantac?

 

[Arlyn Aronson]

Millions of people, including healthy young people died in the 1918 influenza pandemic and we happened to reside in a building with a nurse who worked in VA hospital and seen all these young men pass from it. Seems there was a similar variant, X years earlier so older people had a some resistant to 1918 influenza. Reading some history, made me jump at the first chance i could get vaccinated.

 

[dbhost]

David Brick - I agree with you on one point — I believe EVERYONE should be offered a free antibody test. We have been tracking vaccinations, but not immunity. Having antibody information would allow us to learn more about subsequently infection (as in, did infection provide sufficient immunity), and give us a better idea of what percentage of the population has no immunity. And with the proper survey administered at the time of antibody testing, we can get a better idea of how many people had been infected but asymptomatic.

Note: I have been fully vaccinated since mid-March.

You'd be suprised how hard it is to get an antibody test unless you had previously been diagnosed with COVID-19. The push to vaccinate does not take into consideration those that have formed natural immunity. How about prioritizing those that are still vulnerable instead of everyone?

 

[Hilldweller]

...

Incidentally, the Spanish flu from the 1917-1919 pandemic, that virus is STILL AROUND. The human immune system has rendered it irrelevant. It didn't cease to exist. ...

If by "STILL AROUND" you mean in secure laboratories undergoing GoF research, well, yeah.

https://1918flupandemic.com/sequencing-the-genome

Remember that my family made the documentary.

 

[Eric Webber]

You'd be suprised how hard it is to get an antibody test unless you had previously been diagnosed with COVID-19. The push to vaccinate does not take into consideration those that have formed natural immunity. How about prioritizing those that are still vulnerable instead of everyone?

Mostly because natural immunity will vary from person to person in how strong it is, and how long it will last. Same for the vaccine of course, but the general answer is that you CAN get covid twice (although it could be a 1:1,000,000 chance, or actually likely) and you CAN get covid even if vaccinated. Better to just increase your overall odds, and that of those around you, by as many people as possible getting vaccinated

Let's say that the vaccine is 95% effective at avoiding a mild (but contagious) case (they are effectively 100% at preventing severe). Whatever your odds of getting covid normally would be (including resistance due to prior infection), the vaccine brings it down to 5% of that number. Once society has enough people who are vaccinated, that 5% starts getting tiny "2-3 people deep".

There was an argument for prioritizing based on age because we know they are more vulnerable, and that immunity does wane. There was also a good case for public facing people, especially healthcare... but now its time to push "everyone", and once we get a big enough number done, those who cannot (or who chose not to) will also be relatively safe

Our province has set 75% of population over age 12 being fully vaccinated as a target before full reopening. We will hit that this summer, and are close to that already in first doses for eligible age groups - 12 and up just opened and there is massive demand

 

[firepit]

They change their minds so much and cant even agree on where it originated.
It doesn't help when the same lawmakers get caught not following their own rules.
Its just a matter of time before your vaccine card will be needed everywhere.
Mask mandates are being lifted and some businesses are allowing fully vaccinated in without a mask.
How many will lie?...How many disputes are going to take place because a mask wearer does not trust
a maskless person?
Now they are talking about booster shots...I got my 2 shots and I am not getting another.
Sorry but I got mine out of the way because I know proof will be required to go anywhere before this is over with.
It wouldn't surprise me if you end up needing proof of a booster as well.
Until then I am done with shots.

 

[Eric Webber]

They change their minds so much and cant even agree on where it originated.
It doesn't help when the same lawmakers get caught not following their own rules.
Its just a matter of time before your vaccine card will be needed everywhere.
Mask mandates are being lifted and some businesses are allowing fully vaccinated in without a mask.
How many will lie?...How many disputes are going to take place because a mask wearer does not trust
a maskless person?
Now they are talking about booster shots...I got my 2 shots and I am not getting another.
Sorry but I got mine out of the way because I know proof will be required to go anywhere before this is over with.
It wouldn't surprise me if you end up needing proof of a booster as well.
Until then I am done with shots.

I totally understand and hate that you guys are getting such mixed messages. It can't be easy at all. It is hard for someone with a background in medicine or in virology to keep track of all the details, so how can a normal person really know what the truth is? Moreso when there is misinformation being spread and we are expected to know what is true and what isn't.

Up here, they always likened it to a flu vaccine, and set the expectation that regular boosters would be needed, especially as most of the word will not be vaccinated which will breed new and exciting variants. I will be getting my 2nd shot in August unless they move up my appointment, and fully expect boosters every few months for the next couple of years. I'm fine with that, so long as it keeps my community safe.

Plus I look forward to improved 5G reception and a dorsal fin!

 

[Sjm9911]

Can belive were still talking about this! Lol. Get the vaccine or dont, dosen't matter. It looks like things are opening up soon. It will all be in the rearveiw mirror soon.

 

[Eric Webber]

Can belive were still talking about this! Lol. Get the vaccine or dont, dosen't matter. It looks like things are opening up soon. It will all be in the rearveiw mirror soon.

Sure hope so. I have about 200 guys in India reporting to me, and getting the daily "casualty report" is sobering.

We open here based on how many people are vaccinated, so it matters. We are now putting pressure on those who aren't sure because "the sooner we get to 75%, the sooner we can reopen"

Peer pressure works

 

[firepit]

Can belive were still talking about this! Lol. Get the vaccine or dont, dosen't matter. It looks like things are opening up soon. It will all be in the rearveiw mirror soon.

Your more optimistic than I am.
I can hardly wait till I am confronted because I don't have mask on( I dread that happening BTW)
I seen a local news story last night with a gal fully vaccinated who still is going to
wear a mask and feels everyone should still be masked up and she doesn't trust
anybody who says they are vaccinated and not wearing a mask.
So in her eyes if you don't wear a mask you are the devil.
Do you suppose she's the only one who thinks that way?

 

[Eric Webber]

Your more optimistic than I am.
I can hardly wait till I am confronted because I don't have mask on( I dread that happening BTW)
I seen a local news story last night with a gal fully vaccinated who still is going to
wear a mask and feels everyone should still be masked up and she doesn't trust
anybody who says they are vaccinated and not wearing a mask.
So in her eyes if you don't wear a mask you are the devil.
Do you suppose she's the only one who thinks that way?

Sadly, no

In that way, communities with higher vaccination rates are just going to have it easier. If I know most people are vaccinated, the odd person who isn't just won't matter. We will actually have a real "herd immunity" of a sort.

I do hope that those who choose to wear a mask (and don't push it on others) are able to do so without being given a hard time - my mask is fantastic against spring allergies this year and I may hold onto it for the really bad pollen days and for when I'm not feeling well (seems it does help to not spread lots of other bugs too)

But once it is safe to unmask, giving people a hard time for doing so is just as wrong as giving someone a hard time for wearing one now is.

As an outsider with completely different public health guidance from the USA and the CDC, the recommendation to stop masking based on the individual's vaccine status instead of the community's seems strange to me, but I am hardly qualified to say who is right and wrong. I will follow my own public health authority and wait, but I'm hardly going to criticize you guys doing the same and unmasking

 

[Sjm9911]

Unfortunately, just like the flu , the best they can do is estimate the results and effectiveness of the precautions we took.

I see the numbers coming in and they are steadily getting much better. As to why that is , will be up to the bean counters in the future. We will not know anytime soon. But its across the board redutions, and on all areas. This is also true in areas that have less then a 50 percent vaccination rate. They have the simmiler reduction rates to the areas that are 70 percent vaccinated. So , why is that? I have no clue, but its still winding down. At least over here. Inda is another story in itself. A new varrient, can be so diffrent it takes time for the boady to adapt to it.

 

[Sjm9911]

Pretty funny we both posted opposite vewis at the same time. Lol. Only way to tell is to see what happens when they lift the mask mandate here. Then we will see if the numbers change.

 

[firepit]

It's a slippery slope....It will be interesting to see what happens late fall/winter as far as masks
during cold and flu season.
I hope I am wrong but I don't see masks going away.
I think they are here to stay.

 

[Etexcamper]

Get the shot. Then if it is wrong you can suffer and die with the rest of us instead of being the only one left.

 

[Hilldweller]

It's a slippery slope....It will be interesting to see what happens late fall/winter as far as masks
during cold and flu season.
I hope I am wrong but I don't see masks going away.
I think they are here to stay.

I shop in the Asian markets around here all the time. Pre-COVID I'd say that 75% of the shoppers in there were masked from Oct to March.
They took SARS on the chin (Chin, get it?) and learned mitigation techniques before we did.

 

[firepit]

Get the shot. Then if it is wrong you can suffer and die with the rest of us instead of being the only one left.

Done