Vegetarians and Vegans

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  1. Norfolk

    Norfolk Just let me fix this one last thing.....

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    At the risk of stepping on a few toes, I think the definition of vegetarian is subjective and has a lot to do with the <i>reason</i> someone is vegetarian.

    If they are vegetarian for health reasons, folks tend to be a little less strict in what they eat with regard to animals and vegetables -- that's why you hear of vegetarians who eat fish and other animals from the sea. If they are vegetarian for ethical, moral reasons, they tend to be a little more conservative -- not consuming flesh from warm blooded animals, but partaking of animal products - eggs, milk, etc.

    Vegans take things a step further, eliminating all animal parts and products from their diets -- Those who adhere to a vegan diet tend to be healthier because of the absence of artery clogging animal fats

    One is not necessarily 'better' than the other, and from my perspective, every time someone makes a compassionate dining choice, there's a little less suffering in the world.

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    My DW describes herself as an ovo-lacto vegetarian. The basis of her choice of diet is that she won't eat anything (animal) she didn't kill herself.

    She'll dunk a blue crab in the boiling water without a second thought!!! Ya gotta admire that kind of resolve!!!

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    And then there's the 'fin & feather' vegetarian - who just won't eat red meat and pork...
     
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    I've been an ovo-lacto-pisces vegetarian or pescovegetarian (pick your term) for 32 years. Orginally it was for health reasons but I have to confess I've gone beyond that.

    Of course if I'm camping and I suspect that my mercury content is on the low side I put a nice swordfish steak on the grill <img src=../Images/icons/icon_smile_bbq.gif border=0 align=middle alt="Barbeque">

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    I made the choice to be a vegetarian for moral reasons. I do eat eggs and drink milk so I am not vegan.
     
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    With all respect, I think it is merely matter of semantics. The very definition of the word "vegetarian" is a person who does not consume animal flesh. Fish are animals. Birds are animals. Those who eat fish (and/or chicken), but no other meat, are just simply not vegetarian. Sorry, I didn't write the definition. And as a matter of fact, I am one of those folks who eat fish but no other animals. And I do not call myself a vegetarian. I also eat eggs, but no dairy, and I do eat marshmallows even though the gelatin in them comes from pork and beef. So there is just no "label" for what I eat and that is fine with me. I eat what I eat. I used to be strictly vegan, as a protest against factory farming. Now there are more options available in my area: local, pastured, purely grass fed beef for instance. Just the kind of thing that is the opposite of factory farming, and so much healthier for the animals, our bodies, and the planet. And yet I don't eat the pastured beef, 'cause I just don't feel like eating beef. Even though I'm not a vegetarian.
    Sorry that is rambling, hope I made my point without causing offense.

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    Jen, the correct term for our diet is Pescetarianism. The problem is not many folks understand that phrase and hence sometimes it is easier to say "I'm a vegetarian but I do eat fish". However, I do understand that true vegetarians grimace at fish eaters claiming to be vegetarians.

    I've used it as is a quick way to communicate dietary needs to conference organizers, meeting planners and folks that may be hosting me during a business trip. Trust me there is nothing more embarrassing than to be invited to someone's home and they have prepared a special meal... but I can't have the soup because of chicken broth, no salad because of bacon bits, have to pass on the main entrée except for the rice and steamed vegetables and I dying to get to the dessert.

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    I respect the choices that you have all made in your dietary planning, and I find that vegetarian and vegan folks often have the best recipes for non-meat dishes. I have learned a lot about diet, nutrition and cooking from my non-meat-eating sources!

    I confess to be a Visagerian. At least once a day, I have to have to eat something that once had a face. I miss meat too much, perhaps I am just not strong-willed enough.

    Please understand that I mean this not to be insulting, but just injecting some humor into the discussion!

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    <BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana,Arial,Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote> I confess to be a Visagerian. At least once a day, I have to have to eat something that once had a face. I miss meat too much, perhaps I am just not strong-willed enough. <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana,Arial,Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>

    Mgwerks, I smiled at your comment since we in the US have a problem eating any animal that still has its head on at the dinning table. This is in start contrast to many other countries where it is traditional to serve the whole animal e.g., fish or pig on a stick.

    To make matters worse, large seafood restaurants in China will have the animals in aquariums on the first floor. You select what you want and they take them out, weigh and go off and cook it. If they don't have the first floor aquariums they will bring the fish in a bag to the table for you to inspect it.

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    <BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana,Arial,Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>Mgwerks, I smiled at your comment since we in the US have a problem eating any animal that still has its head on at the dinning table. This is in start contrast to many other countries where it is traditional to serve the whole animal e.g., fish or pig on a stick. <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana,Arial,Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>This is so true. Americans, possibly moreso than any other nationality, have become almost totally divorced from their food supply. Generations have been raised to think that hamburger comes from the grocery store, and rice from bags. If people had a more visceral knowledge of what it takes to put food on their tables, they might eat a lot healthier.

    Fortunately, the grocery store we frequent sources it's food locally when possible, helping our farmers and ranchers in the local area. As for us, what meat we do eat we try to get from local meat markets, and often can know just who raised the animals and how. Being carnivorous is a choice, just as is eating vegan or keeping kosher. It is a shame that more folks don't really understand how the food chain 'works.'

    Sorry, I realized I was in danger of beginning a rant!

    I leave you with food for thought: "Remember the simple bacon and eggs breakfast. For the chicken, only a contribution is required, while for the pig a real commitment is needed."

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    I knew someone who said they would eat anything without eyelids... I guess you have to draw the line somewhere...

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    mgwerks, my dad loved that saying so much that he handed out a "golden pig" award each year at his stores to the most dedicated employee.

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    I am hardly an expert on such things, however, I have been told that in both the old and new Testaments and even in the book of Mormon we are commanded to eat meat, although sparingly. I do like the comment about eating nothing with eyelids. My mom would not eat any fish unless she had caught it herself, I can't catch enough to keep a fly alive.

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  14. Norfolk

    Norfolk Just let me fix this one last thing.....

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    Craigtheretired, I'm far from being a Biblical scholar, but from what I remember of the 10 commandments and the Sunday sermons, I can't say that I recall any specific encouragement or direction to consume animal flesh.

    I do, however, recall instruction to not wear clothes of mixed fibers, nor eat meat from cloved hooves. There were also references directing women not to cut their hair, men not to shave their beards, as well as a passage or two about the virtues of beating your children.

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    Actually, vegetarian is an old Native American word meaning "Can't Shoot".

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    Old Testament restrictions on eating meat were for the Israelites, and were restrictions for certain types of meat, not all consumption of meat.

    New Testament scripture actually encourages the consumption of meat, though it is not commanded. One restriction on eating meat is if the consumption of meat would cause a weaker brother to stumble, we're not to eat it (Romans 14). 1 Timothy 4:1-4 clearly states that consuming meat is OK.

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    Well if we're wanting to get specific, Romans 14 is referring to meat sacrificed to idols, not meat in general. Eating such meat was akin to participating in the pagan ritual and it freaked some people out. Paul was just saying that hey, meat is meat, doesn't matter who these other crazies are sacrificing the animal to.

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    You're right, Josh. That is the context, and I didn't get that specific. It's certainly not a problem we have to worry about in Western culture today.

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  19. Norfolk

    Norfolk Just let me fix this one last thing.....

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    In the context in which it was written, eating meat may have been permissible and not considered sinful. However, it doesn't address the widespread suffering animals endure in factory farming situations today, nor the health implications of eating meat which is full of chemicals which may be detrimental to our health.

    Before this turns into a discussion on what the Bible says and doesn't say, let's just leave it as saying that making compassionate choices is something we each have the option to do every day :)

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