Waterproofing Evolution III

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  1. Norfolk

    Norfolk Just let me fix this one last thing.....

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    My '89 Coleman has Evolution III fabric. I've had the camper up in Camp Driveway for a week and today's very heavy storm revealed only a couple leaks in the fabric.

    I read somewhere that scotchguard should be used, and read elsewhere that scotchguard should NEVER be used. If anyone here has Evolution III, I'd really appreciate knowing what you've been successful at using to waterproof it.

    Thanks!

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    The manual for your pop up found here http://www.popupportal.com/manuals_viewer.asp?RN=48

    On page 29 it states "area may be treated a water repellent such as 3m Scotch Guard Fabric Protector"


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    Edited by - lilrhodycamper on July 23 2008 18:38:03
     
  3. 01YZF6

    01YZF6 Dothan, AL

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    +1 I have the evo-3 fabric too. the roof is a vinyl/canvas type material though. any tips on cleaning/waterproofing without harming the 2 different types would be helpful.

    thanks

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    You should be safe if you stick with your manufacturer's recommendations.

    I was doing some research (Google: waterproofing canvas) and the consensus seemed to be that if you have true cotton canvas you need no water proofing. The original premise was that the fibers got wet and swelled thus keeping water from free flowing through the fabric. You touch the canvas and of course water will seep because you have literally "squeezed" it out of the fibers.

    If you completely seal the material you will also compromise it's breathability and cause other problems such as mold and mildew.

    Newer canvas is an acrylic canvas like Sunbrella which use a completely different formula for water control.

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    Edited by - Mr_Custom on July 23 2008 23:47:28
     
  5. sewserious

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    As for cleaning the evolution 3 fabric and bunk-end tops, check the owner's manual for recommendations. If you don't have one, there is a link to them at the top of the page, there is one there for your camper. The key is to rinse it very well.

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  6. Norfolk

    Norfolk Just let me fix this one last thing.....

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    While the owner's manual was applicable when it was published, there have been new products released since then. IMHO, using that manual for product recommendations today is like trying to get from point A to point B using a map that was printed 19 years ago -- lots of things change!

    Anyone used 303 on their Evolution III?

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    Norfolk you are right about using a map that is 19 years old.
    However with the Evolution III fabric since it is no longer available and Kimberly Clark (the manufacturer) has since upgraded to a four-layer design and campers no longer use this fabric for the tent enclosure. I would still go with what was recommended for the fabric initially. There have been a lot of changes and modifications to tent fabrics of late, but I'd be leery about using a newer product on your fabric. I'd hate to see you run into a problem that is bigger than just trying to waterproof it.
    Let me know what you end up choosing since I too have the Evo 3 fabric. I did buy the 3m Scotch guard but haven't used it yet.

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  8. Norfolk

    Norfolk Just let me fix this one last thing.....

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    Lilrhody is right. I called Kimberly-Clark's consumer division and was referred to their commercial, non-woven fabrics division. The person I spoke with directed me to www.block-it.com, the website for Evolution Fabric.

    He suggested I compare the Scotchguard with other waterproofing products, and use the one with the best consumer rating. He said if there was no information that one was clearly better than the other, he would recommend using Scotchguard, since it is a proven product for use on Evolution. He went on to say that if there were any separations in the fibers, that NO waterproofing product would help.

    I think I'm gonna head to Wallyworld and get some Scotchguard for outdoor fabrics.

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  9. 01YZF6

    01YZF6 Dothan, AL

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    let me know how this works out for you Norfolk.

    my bunk end walls/corners seem to absorb the moisture, become damp to touch, but never actually leak through unless I put heavy pressure on them.

    I just want to be able to clean the inside of the tops of the bunks without damaging the vinyl or the evo3 wall fabric. should I retreat/waterproof the top fabric/vinyl as well??

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  10. Norfolk

    Norfolk Just let me fix this one last thing.....

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    Just for the heck of it, I wrote to the customer service department at Fleetwood... asking which was better for waterproofing Evolution III, Scotchguard or 303. Here's the response:

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    Steve,

    Thank you for inquiring.

    Actually 303 High Tech Fabric Guard is the preferred product for use on Evolution III tenting material.

    I hope this assists you.

    Regards,
    Customer Service Department
    Fleetwood Folding Trailers, Inc.

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    So.. there we have the official answer. Glad I was going to wait until the weekend to apply the Scotchguard. Now I'll have to find a local store that sells 303.

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    How strange that Fleetwood contradict what is in the manual. I'm so glad that you called them to find out though. Let us know how you make out, I was going to waterproof this weekend, but I think I'll wait to hear how you made out with the 303.
    Thanks for info!!

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    I think I would stick with the ScotchGuard since it has been a long time since Fleetwood used Evolution 3 fabric; not saying the 303 would be bad, but why not just use what was recommended in the owner's manual?

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  13. Norfolk

    Norfolk Just let me fix this one last thing.....

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    Curiouser and Curiouser....

    Ask the same question to 3 different companies, get 3 different answers.

    Kimberly Clark, the maker of Evolution III, says use either Scotchguard, or 303.

    Fleetwood/Coleman, who used Evoltion III on their campers for a while says that 303 is THE product to use.

    303, however, responded with THIS answer:

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    If your popup material were anything other than Evolution fabric (polypropylene), then 303 would work. However, Fabric Protector products (water-repellents) do NOT bond with polypropylene.

    This is probably why the mfg's used polypropylene for a very few
    seasons.
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    The rep from 303 went on to say that Evolution fabrics will degrade with continuous exposure to the sun (i.e. leaving the camper set up all the time).

    Unfortunately, I went out last weekend and bought 2 bottles of 303 and applied it to my PuP. Since then, I've been anxious for rain to appear. Maybe I need to drag the tarps back out. <sigh>

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    01YZF6 Dothan, AL

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    I just used 2 cans of Scotch guard on mine and have had little to no issues with water getting in....sprayed the outside, let it dry, sprayed the inside, let it dry with windows down and door open....

    I still have to get some seam sealer for the sewn corners on the bunkends though, as water does wick thru on the seams ONLY....

    does the vinyl part on TOP need to be waterproofed?
     

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