What if gas stays high?

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  1. backwoodzbum

    backwoodzbum New Member

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    Natty you are way off. In 1070 we imported 20% of oil from foreign countries. In the 90's it was up to 40% and of right ow we are importing over 70% and growing more everyday. Our Democratic controlled congress has placed so many regulations on drilling the oil companies would rather import oil than deal with trying to find oil here. I have no problems with alternatives like wind and solar but when the congress will not let us drill our way out or let us build refineries and nuclear plants something is wrong. And it would not take till 2030 to see the benefits like the Liberals want you believe. And even if it did which it will not don't you think by then the gas will be so high every gallon will help?
    If you want lower prices call those tree hugging liberal congressman and senators and demand drill here and DRILL NOW.

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  2. ktn

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    I kind of like being accustomed to cheap gas!

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    They say oil $ is decreasing because the demand in the US has slowed. What they didn't mention is that the rumblings of drilling our own is likely affecting the gambling on the future price of oil as well.

    What we must not do is get lax if the price of gas goes down. We still need to conserve and drill and look for alternatives. We can't let up on those things just because the price goes back down.

    If that happens we will be in this same boat in a couple of years, without having alternatives.

    I think it is good to talk about on this forum because it gets lots of people to think and some to act. If more people act, changes can be made for the positive.

    What I hear from you all is that you love this country and want to make it better. I really like this place!

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    I kind of like this place too....

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    I think its funny that people hate to see the oil sites off the coast of CA or complain that pumping oil is dirty, but the same whiners are not complaining about the oil wells located in other countries. If it takes several years to get our production of oil up, than thats what it takes, its better than not trying at all. We have been fighting cancer for decades without finding a cure. Should we give up because we didnt get a imediate result. We need to dril every spot that can produce oil. I could go on for days about this.

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    Oh yah, theres nothing wrong with cheap gas. I read that all the US Governments combined(city,state and Fed) have collected more in fuel taxes since the 70's than all the profits of the oil companys. The GOV needs us to buy LOTS of gas to keep them funded. This is one of the factors that killed the Electric Car (EV-1) in CA. How does the state get there 18 cents per gallon if you charge your car from home and stop buying fuel. A guy on the east coast was fined for using Veg oil in his RV because he didnt pay the fuel tax.

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    The democrats are not going to allow those wells to be drilled. The majority speaker said no way is that going to happen. Nope she wants to tap into our stratigic gasoline reserves. Do that and we run the risk of running out of fuel if a terrorist blocks off that gulf region in the middle east or bombs the oil wells. God I hope they have better sense than that! Now if they do not allow those wells to be drilled I say we literally throw all of the ones who will not allow the wells to be drilled out of Washington and plant them squarely in a desert in the Middle East.
     
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    I hear ya Karichar. Nancy Pelosi and all those libs need a taste of the real world.

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    It would be a couple years before the oil that is being drilled to come to market. Plus the cost of the new rigs and all that stuff will be passed on to us.So gas prices will not come down. Its not a Democrat or Republican thing It is oil companies that are rapping us not the government.If you want gas prices down then we have to have 8 to 10% interest rate to get the value of the dollar up and oil will come down. Libs do live in the real world. We just try to keep the idiot in the white house in the real world!!

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    Hot thread! I don't think drilling in ANWR or off of FL or anywhere else is the answer, but I am not opposed to it either. The risk is (apparently) very low. Getting off of oil is the ultimate answer, as "impossible" as that may seem. I would like to see more alternative sources developed and exploited, and we as a nation have the ingenuity to do it. A very positive side to the high price of gas is it will accelerate the entire alternative energy development process. Big Oil is so entrenched and vested that they will fight it every step of the way, which will impede progress no doubt, but America will demand it. The goal is to be able to tell Hugo and the middle east to go get bent, we don't need no stinking oil.

    Blame the lefties, greenies, tree huggers, etc. all you want on the price of gas, but their movement has merit and it is the wave of the future. The longer you fight it, or refuse to accept it, then the longer the growing pains will be felt.
     
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    Not sure how anyone can say adding supply will not bring down the cost. I give up trying to convince you guys that giving our money to foreign nations is going to destroy our way of life. And not sure what the last post means that the liberals have merit when I am paying over 4 dollars a gallon to the oil companies because they(the greenies) will not let us build Nuclear facilities in the USA because they feel we are destroying our world with global warming. What about the rest of the countries?
    You guys talk of alternatives.......where are they and when will we see them? When we are a third world nation..? because money runs this world and by that time no one will even lend a bunch of poverty strict-en states a dime. Wake up
    Please Steve lock this thread before we all go up in flames. This type of topic is volatile for a camping forum.

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    Hey Backwoodzbum ................. Oldtimer here

    Hey, I'm with you. Sad, but my son and his family have gone over the edge too. Whatever happened to 'logic and reason' I had a 'Pie chart' recently that showed exactly where this 'Alternative Energy' is in the scheme of things. Seems I recollect, maybe something less than one percent at present. There is NO Alternative energy in the foreseeable future to take the place of Oil. Period.

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    Why I don't like the environmentalists is that every alternative energy that someone comes up with gets shot down. They don't want nuclear because of the meltdown possibility, they don't want wind power because it could affect weather or something.

    The costs of the rigs to extract the oil from OUR land could not be more than the costs of shipping oil half way across the world. Heck it takes fuel at the high prices to run the oil tanker to bring the oil over here to the refineries.

    And don't believe the liberals when they say that the oil companies are not drilling on the leases that they already have. In most cases the leases they have will only allow them to explore to see if there is oil. It does not allow them to extract it and take it to the refineries. They have asked for that permission and have been denied.

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    On the flip side of increasing supply is reducing demand, agreed? If every home, business, building, etc used solar power to, say, just heat water, wouldn't this be a huge reduction in demand? Or at least provide some type of relief in one's energy bill?

    Hybrid cars (or entirely electric) are the future, GM and Ford are taking it on the chin because they dragged their feet in this arena. Honda and Toyota, well, you know, they seem to be light years ahead. Isn't using battery powered considered alternative energy? Wouldn't this lower our demand? Is solar power that far fetched and far off? Doesn't appear to be.

    I'm all for nuclear power, we have two plants here if FL (I think). But if the nuclear waste was being dumped in my backyard as it is in Nevada, I would probably feel differently.

    Increasing our supply probably will not lower the price because the global demand (China/India)will still be there, so oil produced here will still be selling for $140/barrel. The money stays home, which is great, but it stays in the hands of the already rich, not so great. John Q. Public will continue to get pinched at the pump.

    Not trying to flame, just trying to debate, so please don't take offense at my comments as they are not meant to offend.

    Now let's get out there and reduce our use, recycle our plastics, glass and papers, and reuse what we can. :)
     
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    We will have mainstream electric cars when the governments figure out how to get there fuel taxes. The less fuel we use means less taxes. Governments across the country are seeing a decline in the revenues brought in from fuel taxes. I said earlier in this post that since the 70s the governments have collected more in taxes from oil than the combined profits of the oil companies. One other point is we pay local sales tax on a gallon of fuel. If the price per gallon of the fuel goes up so does the sales tax. I read a news story that local governments are seeing a jump in sales tax revenue from gas. I hate high priced gas but I hate the government just as equally.

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    I read an article yesterday about a small town in Alaska. Its not too far from where the oil is welled. Their price per gallon.........$8.25!!!!!!!!!! Oil rich Alaska pays more than any other state in the union. Go figure!

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    Oh... and I also think it needs to stop being sold as a commodity. It needs to be made a necessity and not on Wall Street!

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    Hey All .............. Oldtimer here again

    Just read an interesting article in New York Times. Alternative Energy is alive and well in Texas. Yall need to quit talking and start doing something <img src=../Images/icons/icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle alt="Big Smile"> ... IMHO

    Google article if you are interested.

    Texas Approves a $4.93 Billion
    Wind-Power Project

    The New York Times, by Kate Galbraith

    Texas regulators have approved a $4.93 billion wind-power transmission project, providing a major lift to the development of wind energy in the state. Texas regulators have approved a $4.93 billion wind-power transmission project, providing a major lift to the development of wind energy in the state. A wind turbine (farm) near Sweetwater, Tex. The state is already the largest producer of wind power with 5,300 installed megawatts. ...more...


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    Does anyone realize the problems that would come from wind power?

    Washington would spend millions of our current tax dollars on a committee figuring out how they would quantify and impose a "wind tax".

    OTOH if we could use all of that "wind" that is already in Washington to run our cars we would not need any foreign oil.

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