What if gas stays high?

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  1. ktn

    ktn New Member

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    Exactly, and we may have more than anyone else with shale...

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    People talk about outsourcing jobs, what about all the jobs that could be created by the new American oil industry.

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    sorry but poverty is a real issue! I would even say more of an issue know with the prices of fuel. Try living on a fixed income such as many elderly American citizens. Those who have worked all their lives and cannot even afford their medications. Those who have served our country but fell through the cracks of government policies and red tape.

    Poverty is a real threat to each and every one of us.

    Jen,Jim,Bryon
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    I dont want to sound mean but havent we been fighting the war on Poverty since the 30's and they still havent fixed anything. All you can do is plan for the worst via saving money, insurance etc and live you life.

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  5. Oldtimer69

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    KTN ............... Oldtimer here

    Yes. Cimarron is a cool old western town. Parked my camper behind a motel downtown (they had a little RV lot) and stayed a couple nights. Had lunch in the St James. Seems Kit Carson and other pioneers prowled around these parts in the olden days. Then I drifted on up thru the pass and camped a week at Eagles Nest. There I could watch the sky and take good Cloud photos. I wonder if a person could Pan for Gold in that Trout stream there at Cimarron??

    I have camped at Trinidad SP (CO) in the past. Last time I stopped there it was blazing hot, so decided to find someplace else to camp. Also have camped at Lathrop SP there in Walsenburg CO. I have been to the Great Sand Dunes National Monument (CO). I want to go back someday and stay a few days in their campground. One year camped several days up the Cashe La Powder (sp) river canyon. Kind of scarry camping in there, I worried about Flash floods. And one year camped a few days at a lake near Durango CO.

    At Trinidad SP, the campground is on a bluff overlooking the lake and one can sit there and watch the Coal trains head out to Texas with their mile long loads of Coal. Carbon power from the good old USA. Hey yall, its running your Air Conditioners and computers, so don't complain.

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    I'm going to go back a few days to the wind and solar issue. As a supplement to oil, not necessarily a replacement, having both would take care of a lot of issues. We have lots of roof space and parking lots that could be covered without taking up open space. There are a few covered parking lots here in San Diego.

    When the sun is shining the wind doesn't always blow but when the sun isn't shining, often the wind is blowing. The technology just needs to get less expensive. It would happen quicker if it was subsidized the way ethanol is.

    I saw a windmill on top of an RV at the beach the other day. It wasn't very big, about as tall as some of the flag poles that RVers have. I would like to know more about how much energy it produces. Might be an option for boondockers.

    Has anyone heard of these.

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    I found one that is affordable, $199 Interesting. Check it out.

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180266058598

    Patty

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    SDPatty ............. Oldtimer here

    Supplemental energy is good. And if individuals have the space and means to install such systems, it would certainly be laudable. Back when I owned some land, I had looked into solar water heaters, I had the room on my place. But never got around to building a big system. Just built a test rig to test the idea. Windmills, I thought about too. You'd need to invest in Batteries to store the energy. Still I don't think battery power would power our big appliances tho. It probably would only run your lighting and TVs, etc.

    I kind of worry about Government Mandates tho. Always costly with unpredictable side effects - think Ethenol, and food prices, shortages, etc.

    Even this new effort in Texas to use Billions in cash to build new powerlines to the big cities from the remote windfarms causes me to wonder, what will be the break even point. And how long before that point is reached. Could the billions in cash have been put to better use, on say Nuclear for instance.

    Good luck with your windmill project.

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  9. ktn

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    Subsidizing things do not make them cheaper, they just make people like me pay for other peoples energy.

    Transferring other businesses expenses to me is not my cup of tea.

    Thanks but I would prefer paying for my own.

    The dollars spent on wind and solar do not return meaningful amounts of electricity for the money spent, they just generate good PR.

    Look at kilowats produced for dollars spent.

    Someday they might, but let private industry figure that one out, not the government.

    My two cents.

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    Just heard on radio, our local congressman (Ralph Hall) has sponsered a Bill in Congress today, to allow the transfer of the Arctic National Wildlife Reserve to the State of Alaska. And to allow Drilling for Oil there. Hooray, finally we are getting some sensible movement in congress. If that passes, we can look for the price of gas at the pumps to start falling. IMHO

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    KTN. quote... "Someday they might, but let private industry figure that one out, not the government"

    My sentiments exactly. Works every time........Oldtimer.

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    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601082&sid=aqEDMhrCvp28

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    This guy did something kind of cool by the way

    http://radven.livejournal.com/130322.html

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    KTN... Nice sleek little rig. I may get around to designing something similar with this 5X10 ft utility trailer I own. Last fall I built a rig onto it - I'm calling my Tent Camper Project. I can set it up in a flash. Everything takes down for traveling (Low wind resistance). I have two end pieces made of PVC pipe covered with window screen, and Vinyl windows that can be closed with Velcro. These pieces just snap into place under the tarp and are secured with a couple Bungee cords to the center ridge pole support.

    There is a cutout for a little window A/C unit. There is enough room inside for a large Camp Cot, and a storage Table for Microwave and coffee pot.

    See if this link will take you to my album in Photobucket.

    http://s213.photobucket.com/albums/cc255/1Jumper2B/Tent-Camper-Project/?action=view&current=43630005.jpg

    Its been awhile since I used Photobucket and I've forgotten how to get my album posted. I'll look into this tomorrow. Its late now.

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    It's amazing what a little talk will do! Crude dropped $22 in less than 2 weeks! Yesterday the cheapest gas was $4.11. Today it's $4.05 and falling here in San Diego. Nobody is betting on future prices being higher now! Congress just need to follow up with ACTION!

    Patty

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    http://money.cnn.com/2008/07/25/markets/oil/index.htm?postversion=2008072510

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    The Sky Is Falling....The Sky Is Fa.....Oh wait, maybe not....okay, back to Global Warming now. <img src=../Images/icons/icon_smile_sarcastic.gif border=0 align=middle alt="Sarcastic">

    ~Cheers~ <img src=../Images/icons/icon_smile_beer.gif border=0 align=middle alt="Cold Beer"> Ðigger
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    We could do that topic too Digger!

    You can get a great deal on a V8 SUV right now!

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    Digger Foothills of Central Virginia

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    They can hardly give 'em away...I'm thinking of retiring my van to TV status only. It's got 95K on it, and it pulls like a dream...I'd like to keep it around as long as possible!

    ~Cheers~ <img src=../Images/icons/icon_smile_beer.gif border=0 align=middle alt="Cold Beer"> Ðigger
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    My folks just traded a four year old Camry for a new Highlander close to straight up. They hardly drive anymore anyways and they like the big SUV, easier for them to get into and out of than a Camry when you are almost 80.....

    If you are only driving 5000 miles a year it doesn't make a big difference!

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    ktn New Member

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    Here you go Digger -

    http://www.forbes.com/opinions/forbes/2008/0811/094.html

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