What 's a good camera?

Discussion in 'Photography' started by windjammer, Aug 31, 2007.

  1. fritz_monroe

    fritz_monroe New Member

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    That bigger sensor is what makes the dSLRs so much better. Here's a decent page that briefly describes the the way sensor sizes make a difference.

    But even the best dSLR doesn't compare to the quality of a 35mm.

    Since we talked about the way the camera industry has attempted to fool the customer, I figured I'm mention the Mega Pixel Myth. I know many people that will buy a camera only based on the # of mega pixels.

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  2. NikonDon

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    Fritz, I would tend to disagree with your statement that "even the best DSLR doesn't compare to the quality of a 35mm". I shot 35mm and large format cameras for almost 25 years and didn't make the switch to digital until Nikon came out with their D70 6.1mp DSLR at a price that made it feasable to make a comparison. My D70 was able to perform on about the same plane as the F4 that I was shooting with even when producing images up to 20x30 inches. There were some areas the the F4 did better than the D70, but there were equally as many instances where the D70 was better than the F4. Since moving up to the D200 and using it predominately for professional portraits and weddings, I feel that this camera is so good that I bought a 2nd one to serve as my back-up and hobby camera. I still have my F4 and run a roll or two through it from time to time, but the D200 serves my needs so well that I really don't feel the need. And at a price of about $1500 for the body, it's more than paid for itself many times over. I've considered getting the Nikon D2X, but I've read so many reviews stating that the D200 nearly matches the performance of the D2X and the D2X body is still over $4500.

    I will conceed though that the DSLRs can't quite match the performance of the large format cameras, but some 23mp and higher large format cameras are coming onto the market that are giving them a run for their money...although the cost anywhere from $16000 to $20000, which is way beyond my range.

    You are also correct about the mega pixel myth and the proof is in the number of professional photographer's (mostly portrait shooters) are buying and using the Nikon D2H which is a 4mp DSLR. It's been on the market now for about 4 years and is still a big seller for Nikon among the professionals!

    In the end though, the camera really has very little to do with taking a great photograph. A good photographer is able to "see" a shot and understands composition, lighting, perspective and knows how to bring it all together to get the best possible shot. Most people are satisfied with snapshots, but I'm not one of then and strive for perfection whenever I put my camera to my eye! Photography is an art just as much as painting or drawing and not everyone is capable of producing beautiful images that are capable of telling a story without the need for words.

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  3. fritz_monroe

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  4. windjammer

    windjammer Rather be Camping. "All that wonder are not lost!"

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    Dear NikonDon,
    I've been working long hours and days again. Now... what about Olympus E-500?
    Can I use my telephoto lens from my FE2 Nikon on the D40?
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  5. NikonDon

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    I've heard good reviews about the Olympus E-500, but haven't used one personally. As for the FE2 lenses on the D40, I think they will mount op, but I think that some of the auto features along with the TTL flash and metering will won't respond. This is the only Nikon DSLR that isn't totally compatable with older existing Nikon and Nikkor lenses. I would suggest getting the D40 with the 18-55mm kit lens and then adding a 70-300mm lens for a pretty versitile set-up. You can always add additional lenses later, like a macro, 50mm f1.4, etc. Once you have the body, you can get as much accessories and you need and only when you actually realize that you may need them. I'd also recommend a good auxilary flash unit like the SB-400, SB-600 or SB-800.

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  6. windjammer

    windjammer Rather be Camping. "All that wonder are not lost!"

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    Thanks NikonDon.
    Do you know anything about OLED?
    Ann
     
  7. pandahelen

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    I am not going to go into any technical stuff here (that is DH's job) but we recently bought the Nikon D40 and thought it was very good. However, after having it for a month, DH decided that he really wanted to upgrade to the D40X. Our camera shop had a trade-up program so we were able to do it easily. We went to England for three weeks and came home with 1600 photos! The camera is so easy to use and takes fantastic photos. I highly recommend this camera from a user point-of-view, rather than a techie one.

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  8. NikonDon

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    Absolutely no difference between the D40 and D40x other than the increase from 6 to 10 megapixels. which is very overrated, and a few other small items that don't effect picture taking. I think that in regard to picture taking ability all you did was make a lateral trade, whereas a true trade-up would have been to the far superiour D80 or the professional quality D200! Don't get me wrong, the D40 and D40X are both great little cameras, but they don't even begin to compare to the D80 or D200...and IMHO the D200 is absolutely the best camera on the market under $4000 and that's the reason that I have 2 D200 bodies that I shoot exclusively with! You are quite right in your assessment that it is a very easy camera to use and is capable of taking some very nice pictures, but it's limited in f-stop range and upper and lower shutter speeds! I'd highly recommend it to a beginning photographer or someone who wants something a little better than the point and shoot cameras, but definately not for the advanced amateur or professional!

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  9. Kelly and Karl

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    I feel like I should try to swing this in a direction other than Nikon - seems to be a prejudice towards that here!
    Don't get me wrong, Nikon puts out a great product. I've owned several, still have a couple, still love 'em.
    But in the interest of rounding this thread out a bit, consider the Canon 30D, or better yet the new 40D. Great camera, relatively rugged, reasonably priced, especially in the "pre-owned" sector. However, my biggest beef with Canon is that unless you shell out some good coin for glass, you're going to get junk. At least with Nikon, even their reasonably-priced lenses are nice. Nikon's entry-level G-series lenses, however, are junk. With Canon, if you don't spend at least $800, you're going to wish you had. And stay away from the Digital Rebel series unless you're merely an occasional picture-snapper and are extremely careful with your gear. One false move and it's off to the recycle bin. The entry-level Nikons, for the money, are more durable. The Canons I have owned have never given me a hint of trouble - ever.
    If you're stuck on Nikon lenses, you may also want to consider the Fuji Finepix S-Pro series. Uses all Nikon lenses. I have an old S2Pro that I still use on a daily basis in the studio which is a surprising workhorse. The new S5 is pretty trick. And if you can find a S2 or S3, used, they're cheap. Saves more money for lenses!

    Just my $0.02. (not including tax, title, license or usage fees; other charges may apply.)
     
  10. NikonDon

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    Kelly and Karl, you make some very good points and a very valid argument for Canon and I truly can't dispute any of them other than the XTI (my brother owns one), since I'm not a Canon user. Both the 30D and 40D have garnered rave reviews from many different people and I'm sure that they are quite good camera, however they are both still priced at over $1000 for the body only and windjammer was looking for a good moderately priced camera. I truly don't think that the Rebel XT or XTI can come close to the performance of the D40 or D40X and they are both priced well under $1000 with a decent starter lens. I bought my wife a D40X because she had a hard time using my D200's because of the larger size and weight, but she loves the smaller D40X (she's Asian and has very small hands). I have a friend who shoots with a 5D which is a Canon full frame sensor and it really takes some great pictures. I'd say that it is at least comparable to my D200, but still it costs about $3200 for the body compared to $1600 for the D200.

    The Fujis are great DSLRs and you are totally correct about the S5, it is a super cool camera. If I was in the market for another body to use with my plethera of Nikon lenses, I'd definately think seriously about the S5!

    Have a great day!

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  11. Kelly and Karl

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    Don, I can't compare the 5D with the D200, due to the difference in chip size. I have the 1Ds MkII which has the same chip, plus a few other bells and whistles. That chip is unbelievable. I'd really like to see Nikon come out with a full-frame chip, and there are rumors that they will. One of my photog buddies is patiently waiting and will trade in his D2X if/when the time comes!
    The small hands comment is a truly valid one. I tried putting the 1Ds in my DW's hands, and she almost toppled over. My S2Pro was better, but still too big for her. If she continues to shoot weddings with me on weekends (when we're not camping, of course) I my get her a D40x. Lucky for me, I have a few lenses/accessories for both Canon and Nikon, so a new body here or there isn't such a burden. It keeps me far more flexible than my old Sinar/Mamiya setup, that's for sure!
     
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    I just bought a Sony DSC-H7 and love it, 8mp,16X
    zoom and with a 1gig memory stick on 3mp can take
    over 600 pics. the photo quality ls fantastic.
    I paid 328.00 via Dell, Regular is 389.00 at
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    Fallow up on the Sony, has a burst mode, will rapid fire shoot as long as you hold the shutter button, takes mpg movies up to one hour and much more

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    For my wifes birthday, I up graded her current 8.0 MP Minolta Dimage A2 for a 10.2 MP Canon Rebel EOS with a 18-55mm lens, the sale also included a 75-300mm lens for $899.99 at HHGregg. I'll probably sell the 8.0 MP Minolta Dimage A2 on e-bay and use the money to purchase her a Macro Lens and Macro Ring lite so she can take the quality close up pictures of bugs and flowers.

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  15. NikonDon

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    I'll refrain from commenting on the Sony line of digi-cams and their excessive shutter lag and off color greens. In the early days of digital cameras I toyed around with a 5mp Sony P&S camera and was really disappointed in the rendition of greens and the amount of Photo Shop that was necessary to correct the images. From what I can tell, the have corrected the color balance a little in their latest models, but not entirely.

    Edited by - NikonDon on October 19 2007 05:39:05
     
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    We just got a new Nikon D80 with the dedicated flash unit (all we could afford). Hopefully, Santa will bring the 70-200mm lens to go with.

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    Don, I thought you were going to refrain from commenting on the Sony line of digi-cams and their excessive shutter lag and off color greens? <joking>

    I'm not in the same class with Don, in fact if you haven't seen all his picture awards on Betterphoto.com, please check them out. His entire link is in the first few post. I have a DSLR D50 with the 70 - 300 mm lens and a Don want to be. The camera has some great feaures but is lot more affordable for us amatures.

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  18. JamesRL

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    I've been taking pictures seriously since the mid-70s.

    I have owned a camera by just about every manufacturer till the mid 80s when I settled on Nikon. I also acquired a 2 1/4 Yashica, studio lighting etc.

    Given my investment in film equipment, I waited a while to dip my toe in the water.

    My take may be different than others.

    I used to shoot with 3 non zooms. A 28, 50, 135 and a teleconverter to double my 135. None of these are auto focus so they wouldn't help me for a dSLR.

    So while I wanted a dSLR, when I looked at my pocketbook, I decided to compromise a bit. Today's optics are pretty good and the zoom range is wider. So after much reading and comparisons I bought a Fujifilm S6000fd. The zoom is equivalent to a 28 to 300 film lens. It has all the manual stuff I want, except for a hot shoe (for external flash). It has some great features, and the sample pictures on some of the review sites looked great.

    It is only a 6 MP camera, but I'd put it up against many others. The Panasonic was almost my choice, but the picture samples convinced me.
    http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/fuji/finepix_s6000fd-review/

    The one thing it lacks is "true" image stabilization, and if you are shaky I'd go for a camera that has that(including the new Fujifilm S8000).

    But there are many great cameras out there. My Uncle has a Canon Rebel xti, his daughter the new Sony Alpha (she had Minolta lenses from her film camera). Both take great pics and I can't tell in most shots which is which.

    I do suggest you consider a "near" SLR like the Fuji, the Panasonic or Olympus, as well as a dSLR.
     
  19. windjammer

    windjammer Rather be Camping. "All that wonder are not lost!"

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    NikonDan, what do you think about the new D300? Thanks!

    Edited by - windjammer on November 12 2007 12:18:07
     
  20. rthrbcampn

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    Buy the Canon 40D or better. If you do not want to spend that much then get the Rebel. Canon is the leader right now and the shadow detail in the Canon compared to the Nikon is simply better.
     

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