You guys are evil

Discussion in 'Camper Pre-Purchase Questions' started by jjmac, Jul 28, 2008.

  1. jjmac

    jjmac Member

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    Ok I originally came to this site for a bit advice on purchasing a decent pup for a decent amount that would be ready to go camping.

    But after seeing all these mods, all these great people helping, and all these things you can do to a fixer-upper, I'm going to get an older model that I can pay cash for instead of financing, and use the money I'm saving to fix it up the way I want it! You guys just make it look too cool to pass up.

    After reading a lot of this forum, I have come up with some bare minimum things to look for in a pup. I'm not so much worried now about amenities as I will want to mod it up the way I want it. The 3 things I can tell so far that are the most important are:

    -Canvas in good shape
    -Lift system in good shape
    -No severe water damage

    Other than that I've seen mods around here for pretty much everything else I want in a pop up. Is there anything I'm missing?

    I found a pop up on CL yesterday that is in the area that I will be going to look at tomorrow. They want $600 for it, it's an older model although he doesn't know exactly how old. His son used it mostly but he said it has never leaked for them and he doesn't use it so his wife is urging him to sell it. He did say the top vent is missing (he's got it covered up at the moment), is this too big of a deal? Is there anything else I need to look at? Pop ups around here for under $1000 seem to go fast so I'd like to be ready tomorrow to hand him cash -- but I want to know for sure that I'm not going to buy something that has problems that are too difficult or expensive to overcome.

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  2. rarin 2 go

    rarin 2 go New Member

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    A vent can be replaced. I would look at the tires, ask about the bearings,etc,

    TnT from Portland, TN
     
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    I was just in a RV dealer today, looking for parts for my '73. Vents seem rather inexpensive. I would want to watch the owner set the pup up. Then spray it with a water hose to check for leaks. Watch out for wasps if the pup has been sitting for a prolonged amount of time!
     
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    Digger Foothills of Central Virginia

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    We try jjmac....we really do try!

    Take this list with you...some it may not be applicable to your situation, but it is a good starting point....

    Good Luck!

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    I know I am evil but what are you? Joiner! Ha Ha
    Okay, I am concerned that the PUP has been covered which may cause a mold, mildew, dry rot of wood in the camper. The camper needs to breathe, I get that they covered it because of the vent but that should be temporary.
    Check the lifts and electrical- plug it in. Does it have a refrigerator? Look for the vin, model and year info--sometimes inside the cabinet just inside the door. Some are labeled on the outside with a metal tag. Check stove, lights, inside and out.

    Get under and take a look, grab the tires and shake-is there much play when you shake.

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  6. Cowboy Camper

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    I'm not Evil! I gave up and bought a brand new camper!!!

    Whatever. I've also followed along with some of these 'evil' folks and Modded my brand new camper. <img src=../Images/icons/icon_smile_shock.gif border=0 align=middle alt="Shock"> These folks here are truly the best bunch of folks that you'll ever meet.

    Either way, we'll be here to help as we can. Take this Extreme that I have in mind right now.

    Check out Cindy F's Profile, and compare her to me (Cowboy Camper.)

    Cindy has put a TON of work into an older camper, and I gave up on that theory and broke down to buy a new one instead. <hr>
    All of our situations are different. That's all I can think to say, ya know? Cindy is in her boat and doing Very well with and older work in process. She might have the time that I cannot spare, huh? I dunno.

    That didn't work out so well for me, so I gave up on my old '75 and went out to buy the new '08. It's all a matter of what YOU think you are able to do at any given moment of time.

    Personally, I consider myself the Weak one. But I found that I could never be able to devote the Time to restore the '75. So in my opinion, I cheated when I bought New.

    Maybe Cindy thinks that I Cheated and went for the easy way out to buy the new camper. Maybe Cindy thinks I'm Rich, I dunno. (but I'm Not!) To be honest, I envy her.

    Anyhow, Camping is a unique and Individual experience. It's that way for ALL of us! <img src=../Images/icons/icon_smile_happycamper.gif border=0 align=middle alt="Happy Camper"> Whatever you do, we'll ALL be here to help, no matter what.

    That is what the Portal is all about! <img src=../Images/icons/icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle alt="Smile"> You've come to the right place for helps, no matter your situation. I've seen it from both perspectives. And I can tell ya that we'll do our best to help you out, no matter which way you decide to go.

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  8. jjmac

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    Awesome advice, maybe you guys are not as evil as I had hoped ;)

    Nice list too, Digger it is printed out and ready to go with me.

    I did some research, mainly google searching for other older Rockwell campers and after seeing many photos I can say with some certainty that this pup is an '81 model Rockwell, + or - 1 year. He says it is around 12 foot long folded down and has a queen sized bed on each side -- and that the interior is very clean.

    It is plane jane, no air, b/r, fridge or anything like that, just a stove, power converter and water containers. Maybe other stuff but he wasn't sure.

    He said the tires are in good shape and sounded very confident about that, he was shaky on the rest of the details but mostly because he had never used it and it's been a year since it's been opened.

    It is not covered by a full covering but he said he covered the hole where the vent was. What exactly he means by that I'm not sure and I believe that will be a prime place to inspect for any mildew or other water evidence. Not saying it would be a deal breaker but it might give me some leverage.

    I hear what you say Cowboy and my initial instinct were the same as yours, pony up the cash and get one that's ready to go. But after seeing everything around here, I just can't resist myself. I've never owned a popup or any camper before but I love tinkering and am quite handy with shop work and repairs so I have some confidence at least. Let's just hope my confidence is not misplaced!

    Cindy's saga was one of the first things I read in these forums and believe it or not that is in part what spurred me to do what I'm doing. Yes it can be a terrible pain in the you-know-where to have frustrating problems, but it just makes it even that much better when you solve the problems and get things fixed the way you want them :) I was actually smiling when I saw her triumphant video, and the song is still stuck in my head.
     
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    Please double-check the tires. The rubber deteriorates just SITTING. If they have not been replaced in several years, they probably need to be. You don't want a sidewall blowing out while you're towing!

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    See - the mod bug bites all regardless of camper age. I'm just as bad as Cowboy with a number of mods to brand new camper. And I still have a list of potential ideas, if I can pry the checkbook away from DW.

    Good luck with your search and we look forward to the mod process. Nothing like a few thousand people staring over your shoulder with advice.

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    You can buy new tires, and should check the bearings as part of regular maintenance!

    Even the mold can be cleaned up and painted over.

    But the roof, lift system and all that stuff worry me.

    Lynn

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    Xolthrax Franconia, Pa.

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    Mods? That sounds like a neat idea. Maybe I'll try doing some <img src=../Images/icons/icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle alt="Big Smile">


    Joe

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  13. jjmac

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    Ok tires will be tripple checked. Not that I really know what to check for. The most I will be able to tell is either yes they are there, or no they arent!

    I'll give them a good kick for show but will plan on replacing them and keep that in mind for the price because he said for sure that it's been sitting there for at least 1 year.

    I'll do some reading in the garage to see what all I need to know about tires, I'm sure it's been discussed many times.
     
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    Big_kid Virginia Beach, VA

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    I wouldn't be put off by old wheel bearings. A new set with seals ran me $30 @ Advance Auto a few months ago. (Trailer kit out in the aisles, NOT individual parts behind the counter).

    YMMV-

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    Look for cracks in the sidewalls of the tires. And for wear. Also bring a pocket knife to check the floor to see if it is solid.

    PS: I hope you have a garage to work in over the winter ;)

    Be sure to post pics to keep us up to date. I'd love to take on a project like that some day. Not too sure DW would let me though.

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    Ok check for cracks in the floors and pocket knife the tires. Got it.

    Getting ready to go, very glad I posted here now I know a lot of things to look for and check! Kind of excited about the prospect of finding a camper so soon, but I hate to get my hopes up too much especially before seeing the canvas, I certainly don't want to be replacing that if I can avoid it.

    I will keep you guys posted.
     
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    Drove down there (90 mile drive) and looked at the camper. The conversation went something like this:

    "Hey looks pretty good, what year model is it?"

    "Not really sure"

    "It should be written on the title somewhere"

    "The what?"

    yeah. Lesson learned.
     
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    Digger Foothills of Central Virginia

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    LOL....campers without titles are not horribly uncommon, but it is kind of a pain to get it resolved. A few extra steps at DMV....

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    He originally purchased the camper a few years ago in Kansas and he said in Kansas it is not required to register campers, hence he didn't think the title was a big deal when he bought it and never got it.

    I called our local DMV while I was out at his place looking at it and she said I would not be able to register it in Arkansas without a title.

    So basically I told him if he could get the title I would probably take it off his hands, but I honestly don't think that will happen. We will see though.
     
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    Xolthrax Franconia, Pa.

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    Since you live in a state where the title is required, don't buy one without it. As Carl stated, it can be a pain in the @$$ to get one after the fact.

    I lucked out. The guy who sold me mine handled all of the paperwork (registration, title transfer, etc) for $100. A bargain in my opinion.


    Joe

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